Creating a Smooth Radial Electromagnet: Tips and Tricks

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the construction of a radial electromagnet, specifically focusing on the winding of coils to achieve a desired magnetic field configuration. Participants explore the feasibility of creating a smooth magnetic field in a doughnut-shaped electromagnet with distinct north and south poles.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Jason O seeks advice on how to wind coils for a radial electromagnet to achieve a smooth magnetic field.
  • One participant questions the feasibility of Jason's proposed field shape and requests a sketch for clarification.
  • Jason provides a sketch of a permanent magnet, indicating he aims to replicate that configuration in an electromagnet.
  • Another participant suggests that a continuous topological winding may not be possible and proposes segmenting the electromagnet into multiple radial units instead.
  • This participant also critiques the field shape of the permanent magnet in Jason's sketch, stating it is not flat in the inner region.
  • Jason expresses confusion regarding the field shape being questioned and reiterates his desire for a curved field matching the inner radius of his sketch.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to agree on the feasibility of Jason's initial design for the electromagnet, with differing opinions on how to achieve the desired magnetic field shape. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best approach to construct the electromagnet.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in understanding the specific requirements for the magnetic field shape, as well as the assumptions about the winding techniques and their implications on the field configuration.

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Hello,

Does anyone here know how to make a radial electromagnet? I'm trying to figutr out how I would wind the coils. I want to make a doughnut magnet with a single north pole on the inside diameter and a south pole on the outside diameter. It will be critical that the field on the inside diameter is smooth, and not bumpy. Any help/ suggestions would be appreciated :-).

Thanks,
Jason O
 
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I don't think that field shape makes sense, Jason. Could you post a sketch of what you want the field lines to look like? Do you just want a flat field in a volume?
 
Hi, I attached a sketch of what I mean. The picture is of a permanent magnet but I am trying to create the same thing as an electromagnet.

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Hi Jason, I don't think you can topologically wind a continuous electromagnet as you've sketched. But you can segment it into a number of radial electromagnets, and arrange them each aiming in the radial direction. That's probably the closest approximation you'll get. BTW, the field for the permanent magnet you've sketched is pretty ugly -- no where near flat in the inner region of the donut. What field shape are you trying to generate?
 
berkeman said:
Hi Jason, I don't think you can topologically wind a continuous electromagnet as you've sketched. But you can segment it into a number of radial electromagnets, and arrange them each aiming in the radial direction. That's probably the closest approximation you'll get. BTW, the field for the permanent magnet you've sketched is pretty ugly -- no where near flat in the inner region of the donut. What field shape are you trying to generate?

Hi,

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking me about the field. Yes, I want the field to be curved like the inside radius of the picture I showed you.

Thanks,
Jason O
 

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