Cristoffel Symbol of spherical coordinates

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the Christoffel symbols of the second kind for spherical coordinates in three-dimensional space. Participants explore the correctness of the derived components and the associated metric tensor, while also discussing resources for verifying such calculations.

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  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant derived several components of the Christoffel symbols for spherical coordinates and expressed uncertainty about their correctness.
  • Another participant requested the metric tensor used to verify the derived components.
  • The metric tensor provided includes specific values for the diagonal elements and indicates that all off-diagonal elements are zero.
  • Some participants noted that if working in three-dimensional Euclidean space, there are no "0 components" as mentioned in the original post.
  • Suggestions were made regarding software tools for verifying calculations, including Maxima and its GRTensor package.
  • Participants discussed the lack of systematic online resources for checking such calculations across different coordinate systems.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no explicit consensus on the correctness of the derived components, as verification depends on the metric tensor provided. Some participants find the results plausible, while others emphasize the need for further verification.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the importance of providing complete information, such as the metric tensor, for verifying mathematical derivations. There are also indications of potential confusion regarding terminology related to "0 components."

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This discussion may be useful for students and practitioners interested in differential geometry, particularly those working with Christoffel symbols and spherical coordinates, as well as those seeking resources for computational verification of mathematical results.

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I just derived the 3-D Cristoffel symbol of the 2nd kind for spherical coordinates. I don't think I made any careless mistakes, but once again, I just want to verify that I am correct and I can't find any place on line that will give me the components of the symbol so I can check myself.

Here are the components that I derived: (I won't post the 0 components, nor will I post repeat components. By repeat components I mean: If I post \Gamma212 then I already know that \Gamma221 will be the same thing because you can switch around the bottom two indicies.)

\Gamma122 = -r

\Gamma133 = -rsin2(θ)

\Gamma212= 1/r

\Gamma233= -sin(θ)cos(θ)

\Gamma313= 1/r

\Gamma323 = cot(θ)

I used the metric tensor and derivatives of metric tensors formula to derive these components.

Can someone please look at these components that I derived and verify for me if I am right or not. I can provide the metric tensor that I used upon request if you wish to see further work.
 
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space-time said:
I can provide the metric tensor that I used upon request if you wish to see further work.

You should provide the metric tensor, yes. Otherwise we won't know how to check your work.
 
PeterDonis said:
You should provide the metric tensor, yes. Otherwise we won't know how to check your work.

Here is my metric tensor gij :

g11 = 1

g22 = r2

g33= r2sin2(θ)

All other elements were 0. It was a 3 by 3 matrix.

If you want my inverse version (the contravariant version that appears in the formula), then it is below:

g11= 1

g22= 1/r2

g33 = 1/(r2sin2(θ))

Once again all other elements were 0 and it was a 3 by 3 matrix.
 
space-time said:
All other elements were 0. It was a 3 by 3 matrix.

Ah, ok. You mentioned "0 components" in the OP, but if you're just working in 3-dimensional Euclidean space, which you are with this metric, there are no "0" components. Your results look OK to me.
 
PeterDonis said:
Ah, ok. You mentioned "0 components" in the OP, but if you're just working in 3-dimensional Euclidean space, which you are with this metric, there are no "0" components. Your results look OK to me.

Thank you very much. :smile:

By the way, do you know of any places where I can just quickly check this stuff on line (for future reference)?

Edit: Oh and by 0 components, I didn't mean 0th dimension like time or anything like that. I just meant elements that were 0. Sorry for the confusion.
 
space-time said:
Thank you very much. :smile:

By the way, do you know of any places where I can just quickly check this stuff on line (for future reference)?

There are some programs that automate such calculations, some of them are free like Maxima.
 
space-time said:
By the way, do you know of any places where I can just quickly check this stuff on line (for future reference)?

Googling will sometimes turn up an online reference, but I don't know of any site that specifically tabulates this sort of thing in a systematic fashion for lots of different coordinate charts.

To make these computations easier, I highly recommend learning how to use a symbolic math package. I use Maxima; other popular ones are Maple and MATLAB (which have the disadvantage of being a lot more expensive than Maxima, which is free :wink:). You can find out more about Maxima here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxima_(software )

Maxima also has a package available called GRTensor that is specifically for computing things like Christoffel symbols.
 
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