Critical points of multivariable equations

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The discussion revolves around finding critical points of the multivariable function u(x,y) = (x-y)(x^2+y^2-1). Participants are exploring the necessary conditions for critical points through the partial derivatives of the function.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to set the partial derivatives ux and uy to zero to find critical points. Some suggest solving the equations for one variable to find intersections, while others propose adding the equations to derive relationships between x and y. There is also mention of using implicit graphing tools for visualization.

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The discussion is active with various approaches being considered. Some participants have suggested methods for simplifying the equations, while others are questioning the validity of those methods. There is no explicit consensus on the best approach yet, but several lines of reasoning are being explored.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework guidelines, which may limit the use of certain tools or methods. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between the variables rather than simply solving the equations directly.

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Homework Statement



Find all critical points of

u(x,y)=(x-y)(x^2+y^2-1)


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The Attempt at a Solution



Partial differentials:

ux=3x^2+y^2-1-2xy=0

uy=-x^2-3y^2+2xy+1=0

I know the critical points are the solutions to the above two equations. But how do I solve these equations? Or am I going about it the wrong way?
 
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Well I have no experience but by reasoning it seems that the critical points should be when both of those partial derivatives equal zero. So it seems that if you solved each equation for y (or x, I guess), then the intersection of the plots of the two functions should be the points you are looking for.

You don't even need to solve it for a single variable, but then you would need an implicit grapher like wolfram alpha.
 
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Might want to be a little clever, try adding the two equations... I get y=±x. A little more work should tell you more.
 
It seems like adding the two equations would just give you the sum of the partial derivatives, which will give you zero points both when there is a critical point and when each partial derivative is the opposite of the other.
 
Vorde said:
It seems like adding the two equations would just give you the sum of the partial derivatives, which will give you zero points both when there is a critical point and when each partial derivative is the opposite of the other.

The sum of the equations gives you:

2x^2-2y^2=0.
 
ihateblackbox said:

Homework Statement



Find all critical points of

u(x,y)=(x-y)(x^2+y^2-1)


Homework Equations



-

The Attempt at a Solution



Partial differentials:

ux=3x^2+y^2-1-2xy=0

uy=-x^2-3y^2+2xy+1=0

I know the critical points are the solutions to the above two equations. But how do I solve these equations? Or am I going about it the wrong way?

A standard trick whenever you see an equation with terms like y^2 +- 2xy in it is to look for something of the form (x+-y)^2. We have ux = 2x^2 -1 + [x^2 + y^2 - 2xy] = 2x^2-1+t, where t = (x-y)^2. Also, uy = -2y^2 +1 - x^2 - y^2 + 2xy = -2y^2 + 1 - t, so we have x^2 = 1/2 - t/2 and y^2 = 1/2 - t/2. We can get x and y in terms of t (although there will be multiple roots), then can express ux and uy in terms of t, so can solve for t. Then we can get x and y.

In this way you will get 4 stationary points.

RGV
 

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