Odd/even function and critical points

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The discussion revolves around the function f(x) = 3x^{2/3}(5-x), focusing on its classification as an even or odd function, the identification of its domain, and the determination of critical points through differentiation.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to classify the function as even or odd and questions the implications of the (5-x) factor. They also explore the critical points derived from the first derivative and express confusion regarding the definition of the derivative at x=0.
  • Some participants question the validity of the rearrangement of the derivative to include x=0 as a critical point, noting that certain expressions are undefined at that point.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of fractional exponents, particularly in relation to negative numbers, and how this affects the evaluation of the function.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the function's properties and the implications of critical points. There is no explicit consensus, but various lines of reasoning are being examined.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating the complexities of fractional indices and their definitions, particularly in the context of real numbers and critical points where the derivative may be undefined.

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Homework Statement
##f(x) = 3x^{2/3}(5-x)##

Identify domain of ##f(x)## and is it odd or even or neither ?
Find the critical points of f(x)
Relevant Equations
Even function f(x) = f(-x) , odd function f(x) = -f(-x)
Critical points have the 1st derivative equal to zero
I have ##3x^{2/3}## as an even function although there is some debate as to this in another thread I started but the (5-x) factor means the function is neither odd or even. I also see the domain as all real numbers. Hopefully this is right ?
To find the critical points I differentiate f(x) to get ##10x^{-1/3}-5x^{2/3}## and set this equal to zero to get the critical points.
I can get the critical point of x=2 from this. The answer also states that x=0 is a critical point. This is the bit that confuses me.
As it stands ##10x^{-1/3}-5x^{2/3}## is not defined at x=0 but if I rearrange it as ##5x(2x^{-4/3}-x^{-1/3})## I get both critical values of x=0 and x=2.
How can the same equation be defined and not defined at the same time ? Without knowing the answer how would I know to rearrange the equation to get x=0 as an answer ?
Thanks
 
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dyn said:
Homework Statement: ##f(x) = 3x^{2/3}(5-x)##

Identify domain of ##f(x)## and is it odd or even or neither ?
Find the critical points of f(x)
Homework Equations: Even function f(x) = f(-x) , odd function f(x) = -f(-x)
Critical points have the 1st derivative equal to zero

I have ##3x^{2/3}## as an even function although there is some debate as to this in another thread I started
I don't think there is any debate about this being an even function.
dyn said:
but the (5-x) factor means the function is neither odd or even. I also see the domain as all real numbers. Hopefully this is right ?
To find the critical points I differentiate f(x) to get ##10x^{-1/3}-5x^{2/3}## and set this equal to zero to get the critical points.
I can get the critical point of x=2 from this. The answer also states that x=0 is a critical point. This is the bit that confuses me.
As it stands ##10x^{-1/3}-5x^{2/3}## is not defined at x=0 but if I rearrange it as ##5x(2x^{-4/3}-x^{-1/3})## I get both critical values of x=0 and x=2.
The second expression isn't defined at x = 0, either, as ##x^{-1/3}## isn't defined for this value.
dyn said:
How can the same equation be defined and not defined at the same time ? Without knowing the answer how would I know to rearrange the equation to get x=0 as an answer ?
Thanks
Critical points are where the derivative is 0, or at points in the domain of the function at which the derivative is undefined.
 
But if I re-arrange the equation I can get a function defined for all ##x## which gives ##x=0## as an answer
 
dyn said:
But if I re-arrange the equation I can get a function defined for all ##x## which gives ##x=0## as an answer
No. I assume you are talking about this: ##5x(2x^{-4/3}-x^{-1/3})##, which is undefined for x = 0. It's true that 5x = 0 when x = 0, but the other factor isn't defined, which makes the whole expression (it's not an equation) undefined.

Regarding what you wrote at the end of the other thread, ##x^{1/3} = x^{2/6}##, obviously. The problem comes with the latter expression if you try to evaluate it as ##\left( x^{1/6}\right)^2## for negative x. What this shows, in my view, is that the usual rules for exponents don't carry through when you raise negative numbers to some fractional power.
 
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Thank you Mark44 for your help. As I have previously mentioned in the other thread , it amazes me that the fractional indices for negative real numbers issue seems never mentioned in calculus of real numbers
 

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