Current Algebra: Find Current in Electric Circuit w/ 3 Resisters of R

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Homework Help Overview

The problem involves an electric circuit with three identical resistors of resistance R connected to a cell of emf E. The configuration includes two resistors in parallel and one in series with that pair, leading to a question about determining the current in the cell.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of total resistance symbolically and express confusion about deriving the answer of 2E/3R. There are attempts to evaluate the equivalent resistance of the circuit and questions about combining resistances in parallel and series.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the equivalent resistance calculations, with some participants providing guidance on combining resistances and simplifying expressions. Multiple interpretations of the resistance calculations are being explored, and participants are actively engaging with each other's reasoning.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of recognizing that all three resistors are identical, which may influence the simplification of their calculations. There is also mention of a multiple-choice format for the problem, which adds a layer of complexity to the discussion.

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Homework Statement


An electric circuit consists of 3 identical resistors of resistance R connected to a cell of emf E and negligible internal resistance. What is the magnitude of the current in the cell? (in the diagram two of the resistors are in parallel with each other then the other in series with that pair)

Homework Equations


I = V/R

1/R = 1/r + 1/r +...

R = r1 + r2

The Attempt at a Solution



It's a multiple choice question and the answer is 2E/3R but I can't see where that has come from.

If I said that R was 2 ohms then the combined resistance would be 3 ohms but that doesn't help. I can't see where the 2/3 has come from please help, thank you
 
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Evaluate the total resistance symbolically.
 
calculator20 said:

Homework Statement


An electric circuit consists of 3 identical resistors of resistance R connected to a cell of emf E and negligible internal resistance. What is the magnitude of the current in the cell? (in the diagram two of the resistors are in parallel with each other then the other in series with that pair)

Homework Equations


I = V/R

1/R = 1/r + 1/r +...

R = r1 + r2

The Attempt at a Solution



It's a multiple choice question and the answer is 2E/3R but I can't see where that has come from.

If I said that R was 2 ohms then the combined resistance would be 3 ohms but that doesn't help. I can't see where the 2/3 has come from please help, thank you
Can you calculate what the equivalent resistance of this circuit is?
 
I think it's (R1xR2)/(R1+R2) for the parallel part then (R1xR2)/(R1+R2) + R to add the series part in but don't know how to combine those?
 
calculator20 said:
I think it's (R1xR2)/(R1+R2) for the parallel part then (R1xR2)/(R1+R2) + R to add the series part in but don't know how to combine those?

In order to add fractions, you need to have the same denominator in both.

and remember that all three resistors are identical. This will come in handy when simplifying your result.
 
Ok so ((RxR)/(R+R)) + R

(2R/2R) + R? I don't think that's right but don't understand how I would get the same denominator either
 
calculator20 said:
Ok so ((RxR)/(R+R)) + R

(2R/2R) + R? I don't think that's right but don't understand how I would get the same denominator either

Not quite.

##\frac{R \times R}{R + R} + R = \frac{R^2}{2R} + R ##

If you were asked ##\frac{1}{2} + 1 = ?##, you would need to recognise that this is equivalent to ##\frac{1}{2} + \frac{2}{2} = \frac{1 + 2}{2}##.

You need to use this very same trick.
 
1/2 R2/R +R/R

Do I have to separate the square now? Sorry, still can't see how I'm going to get the 2/3. Really appreciate your help so far
 
(1/2R2 + R)/R?
 
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calculator20 said:
1/2 R2/R +R/R

Do I have to separate the square now? Sorry, still can't see how I'm going to get the 2/3. Really appreciate your help so far

##\frac{R^2}{2R} + R##

If you simplify this expression, what do you get?

Edit - Sorry, this is my final edit. I misread what you typed.
 
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R2/2R?
 
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calculator20 said:
R2/2R?

If you cancel the ##R## terms in the fraction, you get ##\frac{R}{2} + R = \frac{3R}{2}##
 
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Thank you so much that makes sense!
 
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calculator20 said:
Thank you so much that makes sense!

You're welcome.

To recap (so you have the entire argument in one place):

Two resistors in parallel: ##\frac{1}{R_{eq}} = \frac{1}{R_1} + \frac{1}{R_2} ##.
The equivalent resistance of this pair is therefore ##\frac{R_1 \times R_2}{R_1 + R_2}##

Two resistors in series: ##R_{eq} = R_1 + R_2##

In your situation, you treat the equivalent resistance of the parallel setup, as a single resistor in series with your third resistor.

##R_{total} = \frac{R_1 \times R_2}{R_1 + R_2} + R_3##

Since ##R_1 = R_2 = R_3##

##R_{total} = \frac{R^2}{2R} + R = \frac{R}{2} + R = \frac{3R}{2}##

and then it is just the case of applying ohm's law.
 

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