Current Density and Charge Density in a loop of Wire

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The discussion revolves around formulating the current density and charge density for a loop of wire, specifically in the context of spherical coordinates. Participants explore the mathematical representation of these densities, the implications of the wire's geometry, and the use of the Heaviside step function in defining the current density.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant proposes a formula for current density in spherical coordinates, incorporating the diameter of the wire and the current.
  • Another participant questions the orientation of the loop and suggests using the Heaviside step function to define the current density more accurately.
  • A participant clarifies that the loop lies in the x-y plane and discusses the ramp-up of DC current to a steady-state value, suggesting the use of the Heaviside function.
  • There is a suggestion that defining the current density in spherical coordinates is complicated due to the cylindrical shape of the wire.
  • One participant seeks clarification on how to account for the distance from the center of the coordinate system to the center of the circular loop while ensuring the current density has the correct units.
  • A later reply provides a formula for current density that incorporates the distance and suggests replacing vectors with their spherical coordinate representations.
  • Concerns are raised about the units of the proposed current density formula, with a participant questioning whether the Heaviside function resolves the unit discrepancies.
  • Another participant agrees with the general approach but seeks clarification on the dimensions of the Heaviside function and the expression for the distance in spherical coordinates.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the correct formulation of current density and charge density, particularly regarding the use of spherical coordinates and the implications of the wire's geometry. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the approach to take.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in defining charge density and current density, particularly concerning the assumptions about the wire's shape and the use of step functions. There are unresolved questions about the dimensional consistency of the proposed formulas.

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I am trying to formulate the Current Density for a Loop of wire with a diameter,d, current,I, and an cross-sectional Area of the wire ##\pi(d/2)^2##. With spherical coordinates (radial, azimuthal, polar)

##\bar j## = ##\frac{I}{\pi(d/2)^2}*cos \theta *sin \phi \hat x##
##+\frac{I}{\pi(d/2)^2}*sin \theta *sin \phi \hat y##
##+\frac{I}{\pi(d/2)^2}*cos \phi \hat z##

Charge Density, ##\rho=-grad . \bar j##
 
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Is the loop in the x-y plane?

You will need to use the Heaviside step function ##H(x)## to properly define ##\mathbf{j}##. Once you clarify the orientation of the wire, we can give more input on how to formulate the problem.

Your definition of charge density is also incorrect. I think you meant
$$\frac{\partial \rho}{\partial t}=-\nabla\cdot\mathbf{j}$$
 
The loop is on the x-y plane radius a to the center of the wire away from the origin. The charge density starts at zero then a DC current is induced ramping up to a steady-state value which can be emulated by Heaviside step function H(x). Will the above Current and Charge Density be calculated as above?
 
No. You need to just build up ##\mathbf{j}## in spherical coordinates using step functions such that ##\mathbf{j}## is zero outside of the wire. Since the wire is cylindrical in shape this will be somewhat tricky. Am I correct in assuming that you are trying to define ##\mathbf{j}## in spherical coordinates given a known current ##I## through the wire?
 
NFuller said:
Since the wire is cylindrical in shape this will be somewhat tricky
How would I go about accounting for the distance,a, from the center of the coordinate system and the center of the circular loop accounting for ##\bar j## has to have the units of Amps/Area.
 
Philosophaie said:
How would I go about accounting for the distance,a, from the center of the coordinate system and the center of the circular loop accounting for ##\bar j## has to have the units of Amps/Area.
If the vector ##\mathbf{a}## points from the origin to the center of the wire and vector ##\mathbf{r}## points to a coordinate in space where you are evaluating ##\mathbf{j}(\mathbf{r})##, then the current density can be written as
$$\mathbf{j}(\mathbf{r})=\frac{4I}{\pi d^{2}}\;H(d/2-|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{a}|)$$
Now you just need to replace these vectors with their spherical coordinate representations.
 
This seems right except the units will be Amps/(unit length) instead of Amps/(unit length)^2 as is for Current Density. Does Heaviside function take care of this?

H=0 before induced current
H = (##\frac{d}{2}(\hat{\vec r -\vec a})+\vec a-\vec r##) after induced current
 
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Philosophaie said:
This seems right except the units will be Amps/(unit length) instead of Amps/(unit length)^2 as is for Current Density. Does Heaviside function take care of this?
##H(\mathbf{r})## is dimensionless even though the argument does have dimensions of length. So the formula in post #6 has dimensions of Current/(length)^2.
Philosophaie said:
H = (##\frac{d}{2}(\hat{\vec r -\vec a})+\vec a-\vec r##) after induced current
I'm not sure how you got this. What do you get for ##|\mathbf{r}-\mathbf{a}|## in spherical coordinates?
 

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