Current due to metal spheres kept far away in the sea

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The discussion revolves around the flow of current due to metal spheres positioned far apart in a sea, focusing on the behavior of charges between these shells and their interaction with the surrounding medium. The problem involves concepts from electrostatics and current flow, particularly in relation to potential differences and resistance.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the nature of current flow between the shells and into the sea, questioning whether the current flows from one shell to another or from both shells to the sea. Some participants discuss the effective resistance of the medium and the implications of charge distribution.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing insights into the current flow and potential differences. There are differing views on the direction of current flow, and some participants are revisiting their earlier assumptions and calculations. Guidance has been offered regarding the effective resistance and the implications of the shells' charge distributions.

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Participants are navigating through the implications of potential differences between the shells and the assumptions regarding the charge distribution. There are references to specific calculations and the need for clarity on the effective resistance in the context of the problem.

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I solved the first part.
I = 4πσV/(1/a - 1/b)
Here, it is solved assuming that both the shells have positive charges and the charge flows from the inner shell to the outer shell .
So, in the part c, it is assumed that each shell has the same charge distribution and from each shell the charge will flow into the sea.
Since, the total charge flowing into the medium is twice the charge flowing from each shell, the current into the sea = 2 I = 2πσVa.
Is it correct so far?
 
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Part (a) and (b) are about current flowing from an electrode at a higher potential to an electrode at a lower potential via a resistance . No different in principle to connecting a resistance across the terminals of a battery .

The electrodes in this problem just happen to be in the form of shells .

The only difficulty in finding the current flowing between the shells is in working out what the effective resistance of the weekly conducting material between the shells is . That requires a simple exercise in calculus .
 
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Nidum said:
Part (a) and (b) are about current flowing from an electrode at a higher potential to an electrode at a lower potential via a resistance . No different in principle to connecting a resistance across the terminals of a battery .

The electrodes in this problem just happen to be in the form of shells .

The only difficulty in finding the current flowing between the shells is in working out what the effective resistance of the weekly conducting material between the shells is . That requires a simple exercise in calculus .
I solved the part a and b. I want to know that in part c , whether the current flows from one shell to another or the current flows from both shells to the sea.
Pushoam said:
So, in the part c, it is assumed that each shell has the same charge distribution and from each shell the charge will flow into the sea.
Since, the total charge flowing into the medium is twice the charge flowing from each shell, the current into the sea = 2 I = 2πσVa.
Is it correct so far?
 
Pushoam said:
I solved the part a and b. I want to know that in part c , whether the current flows from one shell to another or the current flows from both shells to the sea.
I believe the current flows from one shell to the other i.e. from higher potential to lower potential.
 
cnh1995 said:
I believe the current flows from one shell to the other i.e. from higher potential to lower potential.
Yes, I missed it.
Pushoam said:
Since, the total charge flowing into the medium is twice the charge flowing from each shell, the current into the sea = 2 I = 2πσVa.
The above is wrong.
Let's say that the left one has the potential -V/2 and the right one has the potential V/2 wrt a certain point between the two spheres.
Since the two spheres are kept far apart, the charges flow from the right sphere into the sea and from the sea into the left sphere.
The magnitude of the current is given by I = 4πσ(V/2)a = 2πσVa
 
cnh1995 said:
I believe the current flows from one shell to the other i.e. from higher potential to lower potential.
Yes, I missed it.
Pushoam said:
Since, the total charge flowing into the medium is twice the charge flowing from each shell, the current into the sea = 2 I = 2πσVa.
The above is wrong.
Let's say that the left one has the potential -V/2 and the right one has the potential V/2 wrt a certain point between the two spheres.
Since the two spheres are kept far apart, the charges flow from the right sphere into the sea and from the sea into the left sphere.
The magnitude of the current is given by I = 4πσ(V/2)a = 2πσVa
 
Pushoam said:
I = 4πσV/(1/a - 1/b)
Pushoam said:
2πσVa.
How did 1/a turn into a?
 
haruspex said:
How did 1/a turn into a?
I = 4πσV/(1/a - 1/b)
Taking b to be infinity,
I = 4πσV/(1/a )= ## \frac {4πσV}{(1/a )}## = 4πσVa
In part c, V→½V,
So, I →2πσVa
 
Pushoam said:
I = 4πσV/(1/a - 1/b)
Taking b to be infinity,
I = 4πσV/(1/a )= ## \frac {4πσV}{(1/a )}## = 4πσVa
In part c, V→½V,
So, I →2πσVa
Sorry, I missed the first "/".
 
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ok
Thanks.
 

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