Current Oscillator Sine Wave Generator .1Hz, 30uA_rms, 1kOhm Target

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The discussion revolves around the design and implementation of a sine wave generator for current, specifically targeting a frequency of 0.1Hz and an output of 30uA_rms into a load of approximately 1kOhm. Participants explore various methods for achieving this, including the use of function generators and dedicated current generators.

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  • One participant inquires about the feasibility of using sine wave generators for current and suggests either a large resistance in series or a current mirror design, questioning where noise might be larger.
  • Another participant recommends using a resistor in series, suggesting a value around 100kOhm, and emphasizes the importance of measuring the current accurately, particularly at low frequencies like 0.1Hz.
  • A participant mentions the existence of generators that can directly provide current, referencing an older HP model, but does not recall the specific designation.
  • Further discussion reveals that the model in question is the HP 3245A, noted for its capabilities and price point for refurbished units.
  • Another participant comments on the impressive specifications of the HP 3245A, including its DC output and resolution.
  • One participant expresses intent to work with an old HP generator, noting potential compatibility issues with GPIB communication protocols.
  • Another participant reassures that GPIB standards have remained consistent, suggesting that integration should not pose significant challenges.

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Participants express differing opinions on the best approach to generating the desired current, with some advocating for series resistors and others discussing dedicated current generators. The discussion includes multiple viewpoints on equipment compatibility and measurement techniques, indicating that no consensus has been reached.

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Participants reference specific models and their characteristics, but there are unresolved details regarding the exact specifications and performance of the suggested equipment. Additionally, the discussion does not clarify the implications of using different resistor values or configurations on the overall performance of the current generator.

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Are there sine wave generators for current? I need something like .1Hz, 30uA_rms, to a target of about 1kOhm.

If you would try to convert a normal function generator for this purpose, would you go for a large resistance like 1MOhm in series or a current mirror design? Where would the noise be larger?
 
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Use a resistor in series, something like 100kOhm. There is no need to make anything more complicated than that (I've used functions generators to current-bias samples for many years).
Just watch out for the 50 ohm output impedance of you use a function generator (set it to high-Z if that is an option), or it can get a bit confusing.
Also, you should definitely measure the current (at 0.1 Hz you can just let the current pass through a 10 ohm resistor and measure it using a multimeter), don't trust the function generator if you need accurate values.

Btw, there ARE generator that can give you the current directly. Most people I know use an old (well, pre-Agilent) HP generator, unfortunately I can't remember the designation. We have a couple of them at work (you can still buy them used from variour companies, they are not more expensive than when they were new...).
That said, I would NEVER bias a sensitive sample directly from a generator without putting a large resistor in series, doing so will inevitable destroy the the sample.
 
f95toli said:
Btw, there ARE generator that can give you the current directly. Most people I know use an old (well, pre-Agilent) HP generator, unfortunately I can't remember the designation. We have a couple of them at work (you can still buy them used from variour companies, they are not more expensive than when they were new...).

Was it the HP 3325A or B?
 
No, not quite that old (although I think we have one or two of those as well).
I'll have a look when I get to work tomorrow morning.
 
The generator I was referring to is called HP 3245A, the model is about 20 years old. You can buy a refurbished one for about $4000.
 
Didn't get to play around with it yet. It's truly remarkable though, it has dc output with 6 1/2 digits of resolution.
 
We have some old HP I`ll try to get it to work, but I think it speaks an ancient GPIB dialect.
 
Well, GPIB (and/or HP-IB) hasn't changed much over the past 25 years or so (probably longer), so I doubt you'll have any problems with that. Although on some old equipment you might have to set the GPIB address using DIP switches, you should also try to put it last in the chain if you are daisy-chaining devices.
 

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