Curvature at t=0 for r(t) = 4/9(1+t)^(3/2)i + 4/9(1-t)^(3/2)j + 1/3t k

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The discussion revolves around finding the curvature of a vector function \( r(t) \) at \( t=0 \). The vector function is expressed in terms of its components along the \( i \), \( j \), and \( k \) directions, and the curvature is defined using the formula involving the tangent vector and its derivative.

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  • Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the velocity vector and its magnitude, as well as the tangent vector. There are inquiries about the correctness of the time-derivative of the \( j \) term and the handling of signs in the calculations. Some participants also question the notation used for curvature and vector components.

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The discussion is ongoing with participants examining the original poster's method and calculations. There are suggestions for clarifying notation and addressing potential errors in the calculations. Some participants have pointed out specific areas that may need correction, but there is no explicit consensus on the overall approach yet.

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There are concerns about the clarity of notation, particularly regarding the use of the letter \( k \) and the representation of unit vectors. The original problem was copied as is, which may have introduced some confusion in the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Find the curvature of

##r(t) = \frac 4 9 (1+t)^ \frac 3 2 i + \frac 4 9 (1-t)^ \frac 3 2 j + \frac 1 3 t \hat k## at t=0

Homework Equations



K=1/|v| * |dT/dt|

The Attempt at a Solution



Found v.

##v= \frac 2 3 (1+t)^ \frac 1 2 i - \frac 2 3 (1-t)^ \frac 1 2 j + 1/3 \hat k##
|v|=1

v/|v|= <(2/3)(1+t)^(1/2), -(2/3)(1-t)^(3/2), 1/3>

##\vec T = \frac v (|v|) ##

Take derivative of T.

K(0)=1/1 * |dT/dt|

##= \sqrt( \frac 1 3 ^2 + \frac 1 3 ^2 )= \sqrt \frac 2 3 ##

The answer is ## (\sqrt 2) / 3##. Where did I go wrong?
 
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Please show your working for the time-derivative of the j term.
Did you misplace a minus sign?

Aside:
* you used the letter k for two different things: avoid. Curvature is K or \kappa
The way you wrote it, it looks like r(t) depends on the curvature.
* it can help to indicate vectors: i,j,k are unit vectors?

\vec r, \hat\imath, \hat\jmath, \hat k gets you ##\vec r, \hat\imath, \hat\jmath, \hat k##, or you can bold-face them.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Please show your working for the time-derivative of the j term.
Did you misplace a minus sign?

Aside:
* you used the letter k for two different things: avoid. Curvature is K or \kappa
The way you wrote it, it looks like r(t) depends on the curvature.
* it can help to indicate vectors: i,j,k are unit vectors?

\vec r, \hat\imath, \hat\jmath, \hat k gets you ##\vec r, \hat\imath, \hat\jmath, \hat k##, or you can bold-face them.

Ok. I tried to use capital K to denote curvature and changed the ##\hat k##

The problem was copied as is. I fixed the minus signs but since they were squared anyway, it doesn't seem to make a difference.
 
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My question is

1. was my method wrong?

2. if no to 1 then is there something obviously wrong in any part?
 
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mill said:
K(0)=1/1 * |dT/dt|

##= \sqrt( \frac 1 3 ^2 + \frac 1 3 ^2 )= \sqrt \frac 2 3 ##

The answer is ## (\sqrt 2) / 3##. Where did I go wrong?

You did not square the denominators.

K(0)=1/1 * |dT/dt|

##= \sqrt{ \left(\frac {1} {3}\right) ^2 + \left(\frac {1} {3}\right) ^2 }=\frac{ \sqrt { 2}} {3} ##

ehild
 
ehild said:
You did not square the denominators.

K(0)=1/1 * |dT/dt|

##= \sqrt{ \left(\frac {1} {3}\right) ^2 + \left(\frac {1} {3}\right) ^2 }=\frac{ \sqrt { 2}} {3} ##

ehild

Thanks so much!
 

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