Curvature radius question for my muon beam experiment

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between the shift in hit positions of a particle beam after passing through a dipole magnet and the curvature radius of the beam's trajectory. Participants explore the implications of non-monochromaticity in the beam and seek to derive a mathematical relation involving the curvature radius and the observed shift in x-coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes the observation of hits at two different x-coordinates, indicating the beam is not monochromatic and prompting a need to calculate the difference in momentum.
  • Another participant suggests that the deflection angle can be expressed as θ = L/R, where L is the length of the magnet, but they struggle to find a relation between the shift (Delta x) and the curvature radius.
  • A suggestion is made to approach the problem using high school geometry, involving a circle with two points and a tangent line.
  • One participant expresses frustration over unclear contributions and emphasizes the need for more effort in presenting the problem clearly.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion remains unresolved, with participants expressing differing levels of understanding and clarity regarding the mathematical relationships involved. There is no consensus on how to derive the relation between Delta x and the curvature radius.

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Participants have not fully clarified their assumptions or the specific definitions they are using, which may affect the derivation of the relationship between Delta x and the curvature radius.

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Hello, I've a particle beam moving along the z-axis. The beam goes through a dipole magnet. I studied the hit position in a tracker after the magnet and I noticed that there are hits at 2 different x coordinate (the x asix is transverse to the z one). Let's call Delta x the shift between the 2 x points, I need the relation between the Deltax and the 2 curvature radius . Please, can anyone help me?
Thank you
 

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What research have you done on this?
 
Hi vanadium.
Vanadium 50 said:
What research have you done on this?
Hi vanadium I'm studying some data. I noticed the shift, it means the beam isn't monochromatic, so I need to calculate the difference on the momentum. Do you know how to release the shift to the curvature radius?
 
faca said:
Do you know how to release the shift to the curvature radius?

Yes, I do, but as an A-level question you're supposed to have graduate-level understanding. I'm trying to figure out what you know already so I can properly help you.
 
Vanadium 50 said:
Yes, I do, but as an A-level question you're supposed to have graduate-level understanding. I'm trying to figure out what you know already so I can properly help you.
Thank you vanadium. I know that I can express the deflection angle θ=L/R (L is the length of the magnet) but I can't find a relation between the Deltax and the radius. Maybe, you can try to write in the way you think it's better to do and if I don't understand something I will ask you about that.
 
Think of it as a high school geometry problem. You have a circle with two points and a tangent line.
 
I did in that way:

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If you are trying to say "thank you", you're welcome. If you are trying to say you still need help, you're going to have to put in more effort than posting two pages of unclear scrawl and asking us to figure it out.
 

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