Curve for a ramp resulting in shortest time possible?

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The problem involves determining the shape of a ramp that allows an object to slide from one point to another in the shortest possible time, focusing on the principles of mechanics without friction.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster considers a ramp design that initially drops straight down to maximize velocity before curving towards the final position, questioning its efficiency. Some participants inquire about the necessity of calculus of variations, while others explore specific curve types relevant to the problem.

Discussion Status

The discussion is exploring various ideas about ramp shapes and their implications on time efficiency. Participants are sharing thoughts on mechanics and curve types, with no consensus reached yet on the best approach or solution.

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There is a noted lack of prior knowledge regarding calculus of variations among participants, which may influence the depth of the discussion. The focus remains on concepts currently covered in their class.

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Homework Statement



An object slides without friction down a ramp, from (xi, yi) to (xf, yf). What is the equation for the shape of the ramp connecting those two points which would enable the object to reach (xf, yf) in the shortest possible time? Also, describe the shape of the ramp.

Homework Equations



All I've done is set up a free body diagram and the forces acting in the x and y direction. I know that the object is accelerating with a = G*sin(θ).

The Attempt at a Solution



I was thinking something along the lines of having the object drop straight down in order to maximize its velocity and then right before it reaches the same level of the final position, a curve appears in the ramp that launches it in the x direction toward it. Though this would give the fastest final velocity, I'm not sure if it would be the most efficient way. I know the shortest distance would be a straight line connecting the two points but I'm not sure if that helps.
 
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This normally involves calculus of variations, are you supposed to know how to do this?
 
No prior knowledge of calculus of variations. We're just basing this off of mechanics.
 
I've been looking into the different types of curves such as the Tautochrone curve and the Brachistochrone curve but everything seems to go beyond what we are currently learning in our class.
 

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