CVT transmission for an electric motor

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a continuously variable transmission (CVT) for an electric motor, specifically for an electric car. Participants explore mathematical representations, torque characteristics, and the implications of using different types of motors in conjunction with CVTs.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the challenge of representing the math for a CVT that operates between two torque equations based on RPM, emphasizing the need to minimize time and maximize velocity for a specific race distance.
  • Another participant suggests that power can be calculated as torque times RPM and outlines two conditions to consider for the CVT's operation, focusing on maximizing acceleration and maintaining a steady RPM at maximum power.
  • A different participant expresses interest in using a CVT with electric motors on a motorcycle, seeking advice on achieving torque at 0 RPM and higher top speeds, while mentioning the potential mechanical adjustments needed.
  • One participant questions the choice of a DC motor over an AC motor with a variable frequency drive (VFD) or inverter, implying that the latter may be more suitable for electric applications.
  • Another participant points out that electric engines require different transmission rates compared to internal combustion engines and suggests that AC motors with inverters may not be sufficient without proper design considerations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the suitability of DC versus AC motors for use with CVTs, and there is no consensus on the best approach for achieving the desired torque characteristics and performance metrics.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference specific torque values and RPM ranges, but the discussion lacks detailed mathematical derivations or assumptions that could clarify the proposed models. There are also mentions of mechanical components like springs and weights in CVTs, but these are not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for engineers and hobbyists interested in electric vehicle design, particularly those exploring transmission systems and motor configurations.

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Hey everyone, i am trying to design a small and lightweight cvt (continiously variable transmission) for an electric car that can either be on or off, no variable speeds from the motor. I am having trouble representing the math of the transmission. I have to have the car complete a race of 312 inches, the motor has a top rpm of 4040rpm, and at that rpm torque approaches 0. the graph of the torque vs rpm is piecewise in 2 parts with the following equations when rpm<1248 then torque=-0.0019*rpm=23.3 and also when rpm>1248 then torque=-0.0075*rpm=30.3

anyway, my problem is that i don't know how to represent a smooth change between the infinite gear ratios and relate that to how much time it will take to cross the finish line (312 inches later). obviously i am starting at a velocity of 0, and an rpm of 0. this should give me a torque just as the motor starts to move of 23.3 ounce-inches. i know i want to minimize time, and maximize velocity. i think i have to use an integral to represent the cvt, but I am really turning around in circles here. oh and by the way, the diameter of the drive wheels is 3 inches. please can anyone help me out here?
 
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Power = torque * RPM

Graph it out and Pmax ~= 2000RPM

So you bascially have two conditions to figure for:

A) 0 RPM to 2000RPM at the maximum practical gear ratio as the torque falls from 23.3 to 15.3 and the maximum ratio is used to minimize the acceleration needed to the moment of inertia of the engine/CVT plus the smallest acceleration of the car.

B) A steady 2000RPM for Pmax and the gear ratio changes to hold it there over time.

Both should be similar and near linear lines on each side of the inflection point of 2k RPM, its basically a matter of power/mass to find the resultant acceleration.
 
hows the electric car going?

I'm also thinking of using a cvt with an electric motor. I'm planning on using two eteks or two perm motors on a motorcycle with the Comet 94c torque converter (that's what they call their cvt). I'm wondering how I can set it up so it will have torque at 0 rpms and also allow me a higher vehicle top speed when the motor reaches top rpms. Any advice? I figure there's some springs and weights or something in the cvt to adjust and also the gearing on the rear wheel. I don't have it all yet to try but want to make sure it's possible first. I've heard of it being done. Youre doing it I imagine.
thanks
john
 
Im wondering why you are using a DC motor and not an AC motor with a VFD/Inverter? I am correct on the use of a DC motor right (the ON/OFF remark)
 
Pease check:

www.warko.it

Electric engines need different rate transmission as IC engines, for this reason Ac motors with inverter is not enough!
If correctly designed it will be big and heavy (and energy expensive) compared with the correspondent motor+CVT.
 

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