Cyclic Normal Groups: Proving Normality of Subgroups in Cyclic Groups"

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The discussion revolves around proving that any subgroup of a cyclic group H, which is normal in a group G, is also normal in G. Participants are exploring properties of cyclic groups and their subgroups in the context of group theory.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are considering the characteristics of subgroups within cyclic groups, questioning whether subgroups of cyclic groups are characteristic. They are also discussing the implications of cyclic groups being unique up to isomorphism and how that relates to normality in larger groups.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering various lines of reasoning and questioning assumptions about the properties of cyclic groups and their subgroups. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive ideas are being explored.

Contextual Notes

Participants are examining specific cases of cyclic groups, such as Z and Z_n, and considering the uniqueness of subgroups of certain orders, which may influence the discussion on normality.

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Let H be normal in G, H cyclic. Show any subgroup K of H is normal in G.

I was thinking about using the fact that subgroups of cyclic groups are cyclic, and that subgroups of cyclic groups are (fully)Characteristic (is that true?). Then we would have
K char in H and H normal in G.
Hence K normal in G.

I am not sure about the part where subgroups of cyclic groups are characteristic. If yes, How would you prove this?
 
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Think concretely. A cyclic group is isomorphic to either the integers Z, or the integers mod n, Z_n. Can you prove any subgroup of those is characteristic?
 
I am thinking maybe that since cyclic groups of a certain order are unique up to isomorphism and that if a subgroup K of a certain order is unique in a group H, then K char in G.

Now since K is cyclic in H, then K char in H.
 
math8 said:
I am thinking maybe that since cyclic groups of a certain order are unique up to isomorphism and that if a subgroup K of a certain order is unique in a group H, then K char in G.

Now since K is cyclic in H, then K char in H.

Something like that. If you can prove there is exactly one subgroup of a given order in Z_n then you've got it. In the infinite case of Z, it's not going to be useful to consider order though.
 

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