Cyclic group has 3 subgroups, what is the order of G

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The discussion revolves around a cyclic group, G, which is stated to have three distinct subgroups: the identity element, G itself, and a subgroup of order 5. Participants are exploring the implications of Lagrange's theorem on the order of G and questioning the conditions under which certain subgroup orders can exist.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants are examining the implications of G being cyclic and the constraints imposed by Lagrange's theorem. There is a focus on why certain orders, such as 10, may not be valid given the subgroup structure. Questions arise about the necessity of subgroups of specific orders and the interpretation of Lagrange's theorem.

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The discussion is active, with participants questioning the assumptions about subgroup orders and the implications of G being cyclic. Some guidance has been provided regarding the nature of cyclic groups and the application of Lagrange's theorem, but multiple interpretations and uncertainties remain regarding the order of G.

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There is a noted constraint regarding the number of distinct subgroups and the implications this has on the possible orders of G. The discussion includes considerations of prime orders and the specific subgroup structure required by the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


Suppose a cyclic group, G, has only three distinct subgroups: e, G itself,
and a subgroup of order 5. What is |G|? What if you replace 5 by p where
p is prime?

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So, G has three distinct subgroups. By Lagrange's theorem, the order of the subgroup has to divide the order of the group. So the order of G is a multiple of 5. If we let |G| = 5, then there are only two subgroups, G and e. So we try |G| = 10. Why couldn't 10 be correct? Am I neglecting the fact that G is cyclic? (I know that the answer is actually 25, but am not sure why).
 
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Mr Davis 97 said:
Why couldn't 10 be correct?

The wording of the problem implies that G can't have a subgroup of order 2.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
The wording of the problem implies that G can't have a subgroup of order 2.
But if G has order 10 does that mean that it must necessarily have a subgroup of order 2 and a subgroup of order 5? I thought that lagranges theorem was just an if statement and not an if and only if statement.
 
For cyclic subgroups, Lagranges Theorem does work both ways. If k divides |G|, then {e, a^k, a^(2k), ... a^(|G| -k }, is a subgroup of G
 
A cyclic group ##G## is Abelian, so all subgroups ##U## are normal subgroups and thus a direct factor. This means ##G/U## is also (isomorphic to) a subgroup ##V## of ##G##.
 
Mr Davis 97 said:
But if G has order 10 does that mean that it must necessarily have a subgroup of order 2 and a subgroup of order 5? I thought that lagranges theorem was just an if statement and not an if and only if statement.

A finite group of even order must have an element of order 2: Partition the group into subsets \{a, a^{-1}\}. Such a set contains two elements if a^2 \neq e or one element if a^2 = e.

One of these subsets is \{e\} but the group order is even, so there must be at least one other subset consisting of a single element.
 

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