Cylindrically symmetric line element canonical form

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The discussion revolves around identifying the most general cylindrically symmetric line element in canonical form, with a focus on time-dependent solutions and the orthogonality of specific planes. The scope includes theoretical aspects of general relativity and the formulation of line elements in cylindrical coordinates.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on whether the discussion pertains to axially symmetric or fully cylindrical symmetry, as well as the nature of the solutions (rotating or nonrotating, time-dependent or independent).
  • A canonical form for stationary axially symmetric solutions was introduced by Lewis, presented as a specific line element involving functions of cylindrical coordinates.
  • Another participant proposes a time-dependent line element of the form ds^2 = A(t,ρ)(dt^2 - dρ^2) and expresses uncertainty about the remaining expression and the determination of the function A, suggesting that some papers propose A = e^{2Ω}, where Ω is a function of t and ρ.
  • A later reply references the Van Stockum rotating cylinder, indicating that the discussed solution may be a time-dependent generalization of this known solution.

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Participants express differing views on the specifics of the line element and its properties, indicating that multiple competing models and interpretations remain unresolved.

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The discussion includes assumptions about the nature of symmetry and the definitions of the functions involved, which are not fully resolved. The dependence on specific forms of the line element and the implications of time-dependence are also noted as areas of uncertainty.

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What is the most general cylindrically symmetric line element in the canonical form?

Best regards.
 
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btphysics said:
What is the most general cylindrically symmetric line element in the canonical form?
It's not clear what you're asking for. Do you mean just axially symmetric, or whole cylinder symmetry? Rotating or nonrotating? Time-dependent or independent?

A canonical form for stationary axially symmetric solutions was introduced in 1932 by Lewis:

ds2 = f(dt - ω dφ)2 - f -1 ρ22 - e(dρ2 + dz2)

where (t, φ, ρ, z) are like cylindrical coordinates (e.g. φ has period 2π and the spacetime is flat where ρ, z → ∞), and f, ω, Γ are functions of ρ and z alone.
 
Thanks for your answer. Well, I want a a line element time dependent, and where the plane ( t,ρ) is orthogonal to the ( ø,z) plane . Probably the line element will be of the form of:

[tex]ds^2= A(t,ρ) ( dt^2-dρ^2)-...[/tex] I have some doubts on the rest of the expression, as well on the determination of the function A. Some papers gives de value [tex]A=e^{2Ω}[/tex] where Ω is a function of t and ρ. This solution admits a symmetry axis and is invariant under both rotations about the axis and translations parallel to it. It is a rotating solution, so it admits cross terms [tex]dx^2 dx^3[/tex].


With best regards.
 
Are you aware of the Van Stockum rotating cylinder? The type of solution you're talking about would be a time-dependent generalization of that.
 
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