D.E. Littlewood's comments about escape velocity

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The discussion revolves around D.E. Littlewood's assertion regarding the escape velocity needed for a projectile to reach a height of 1000 miles above the Earth's surface. Participants explore the implications of this claim using conservation of energy principles, while also considering practical aspects such as air resistance and the feasibility of such a launch.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant reproduces Littlewood's calculation using conservation of energy, concluding that the mass of the projectile does not affect the height reached, and that 44 miles per second seems excessive for reaching 1000 miles.
  • Another participant suggests checking online sources for escape velocity, implying that the calculated value aligns with common references.
  • A participant expresses skepticism about the accuracy of books and wonders if they are missing something in their understanding of the calculations.
  • Concerns are raised about the practicality of launching a 1-ton projectile at such high speeds, highlighting the potential for significant atmospheric disturbances and energy loss due to air resistance.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the accuracy of Littlewood's calculation or the feasibility of the scenario presented. There are multiple viewpoints regarding the implications of escape velocity and the effects of air resistance.

Contextual Notes

Participants note limitations in their calculations, such as not accounting for energy lost to air resistance and the practical challenges of launching a projectile at high speeds through the atmosphere.

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I have been reading D.E. Littlewood's book "The Skeleton Key of Mathematics", and near the beginning he says that if a projectile weighing one (long) ton were given a velocity of 44 miles a second, this would be "sufficient to raise it to a height of 1000 miles above the Earth's surface."

Naturally, I wanted to reproduce this number for myself, so I started with conservation of energy:

## \frac{1}{2}M_P V^2 - \frac{GM_P M_E}{R_E} = -\frac{GM_P M_E}{R_E+h} ##,

where ## M_E ## is the mass of the Earth, ## M_P ## that of the projectile, ## h ## is the height of the projectile above the surface, ## G ## is the gravitation constant, and ## V ## is the projectile's speed. Solving for the height gives

## h = \frac{R_E}{\frac{2GM_E}{V^2 R_E}-1} ##.

First, note that the mass of the projectile does not appear in this formula. It appears, then, irrelevant that the projectile weighs a ton. Second, as the denominator approaches zero, ## h \rightarrow \infty ##; setting the denominator to zero and solving for ## V = V_{esc} ## yields

## V_{esc} = \sqrt{2G M_E / R} \approx 7 \frac{mi}{s} ##.

Thus, 44 mi/s seems like way more than you would need to lift the projectile 1000 miles above the surface. I didn't account for energy lost to air resistance in these calculations, but launching an object through the atmosphere into space like that seems unfeasible - wouldn't it just burn up? Am I missing something or is Littlewood's calculation off?
 
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Well done - if you google "escape velocity in miles per second" what do you get?
 
Well, Google didn't give me what I expected, but Wolfram Alpha did - about 7 mi/s. For some reason, I always have a hard time believing that books could be wrong about things like this. I always think I must be missing something. Thanks!
 
Geofleur said:
<snip> I didn't account for energy lost to air resistance in these calculations, but launching an object through the atmosphere into space like that seems unfeasible - wouldn't it just burn up?

Uh... yeah. A 1-ton projectile launched at Mach 208 is going to create significant atmospheric disturbances. Spacecraft coast to Earth at a relatively plodding Mach 25, and how'd that work out for Challenger? Even slender little bullets lose most of their kinetic energy after a few hundred yards:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballistic_coefficient#/media/File:Effect_of_BC_on_Energy_Retained.jpg
 
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