D.E.s Undetermined Coefficients

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The discussion centers around a third-order differential equation given by y''' + y'' - 6y' = 36x, and its relation to a second-order differential equation y'' + y' - 6y = 18x^2. Participants explore the implications of integrating the equations and the resulting terms in the general solution.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the integration of the third-order differential equation and the necessity of including a constant term in the solution. There are questions about the origins of additional terms in the general solution and the implications of characteristic equations for different orders of differential equations.

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Several participants have offered insights into the integration process and the characteristic equations, noting the importance of considering the order of the differential equation. There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Some participants mention the need to account for constants of integration and the characteristics of third-order equations, indicating that assumptions about the form of solutions may need to be revisited.

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Homework Statement



y''' + y'' - 6y' = 36x

Homework Equations



y'' + y' - 6y =18x^2


The Attempt at a Solution



I've integrated the third order D.E. to get a second order D.E.

Solving the characteristic equation, to find a general solution, I get:

y = c_1exp(-3x) + c_2exp(2x)

However, the answer is given as c_1 + c_2exp(-3x) + c_3exp(2x).

Where is the extra term coming from?
 
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its due to the integration step

if you were just solving the 2nd order DE, the charactristic equation you give would be correct

however as it must only sastisfy the original 3rd order DE you must include the constant. Any constant is a solution of the DE as it becomes zero for all derivatives of y
 
third order ODE have 3 linearly independent parts in the homogeneous solution. :)
your first equation is:
y''' + y'' - 6y' = 36x

to find the second equation you replace y(x) with z(x):
y'(x)=z(x)

your second equation is:
z'' + z' - 6z = 36x

find the homogeneous answer, the way you regularly do then look at the substitution:
y'(x)=z(x), so y(x) = integral[z(x)], that's where the c_1 term comes from.

also you can solve the cubic equation to get the same answer: r^3 + r^2 - 6r = 0.

if you find the specific answer to the second equation the original specific answer is found, again, through integration.

Good Luck !
 
I will confess that on my first look at this, I did not notice that it was third order either!

The characteristic equation is [itex]r^3+ r^2- 6r= r(r^2+ r- 6)= r(r- 2)(r+ 3)= 0[/itex].

The characteristic roots are r= 0, r= 2, and r= -3 so the three independent solutions are [itex]e^{0x}= 1[/itex], [itex]e^{2x}[/itex] and [itex]e^{-3x}[/itex].

Now look for a particular solution of the form [itex]Ax+ B[/itex].

Yes, you can integrate the original equation with respect to x first but then you get
[itex]y"+ y'- 6y[/itex][itex]= 18x^2+ C[/itex] where C is the constant of integration and now your characteristic equation is, as you say, [itex]r^2+ r- 6= (r+ 3)(r- 2)[/itex] so that r= -3 and r= 2, giving you you [itex]e^{-3x}[/itex] and [itex]e^{2x}[/itex] as solutions but now you have to try a particular solution of the form [itex]Ax^2+ Bx+ C'[/itex] (and don't confuse this C' with the original C).

Here is yet a third way to solve this problem. Let u= dy/dx and the equation becomes u"+ u'- 6u= 36x. The characteristic equation is [itex]r^2+ r- 6= (r+ 3)(r- 2)= 0[/itex]. Trying a particular solution of the form u= Ax+ B, u'= A, and u"= 0 so the equation becomes 0+ A- 6Ax- 6B= 36x. We must have -6A= 36 so A= -6. Then A- 6B= 0 becomes 6B= A= -6 so B= -1.

The solution to u"+ u'- 6u= 36x is [itex]u= y'= C_1e^{3x}+ C_2e^{-2x}- 6x- 1[/itex]. Now integrate again to find y: [itex]y(x)= (C_1/3)e^{3x}- (C_2/2)e^{-2x}- 3x^2- x+ C_3[/itex]. Of course, since [itex]C_1[/itex] and [itex]C_2[/itex] are arbitrary constants, so are [itex]C_1/3[/itex] and [itex]-C_2/2[/itex] so we could just relabel them as "[itex]C_1[/itex]" and "[itex]C_2[/itex]".
 

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