D'Alembert equation and Galilean transformation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the D'Alembert equation for mechanical waves and its invariance under Galilean transformations. Participants explore historical context, implications for wave behavior in different media, and the transition to relativistic physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the D'Alembert equation is not invariant under Galilean transformations and questions why this was not recognized at the time of its formulation.
  • Another participant explains that the D'Alembert equation for sound waves is valid only in the rest frame of the medium (air) and suggests that Maxwell's equations were similarly affected by the motion relative to the medium.
  • A different viewpoint argues that the lack of Galilean invariance in mechanical waves is not surprising, as the presence of a medium inherently violates this invariance, with sound waves exhibiting different velocities based on the observer's motion relative to the medium.
  • Another participant mentions that exact dynamical equations for media, such as continuity and Euler equations, are invariant under Galilean transformations, suggesting that the non-invariance of the D'Alembert equation arises from the background conditions rather than the physical laws themselves.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the implications of the D'Alembert equation's non-invariance and the historical understanding of Galilean transformations. There is no consensus on the reasons for the lack of recognition of this issue in the past.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the D'Alembert equation serves as an approximation for small perturbations in a homogeneous, non-moving background, which may limit its applicability in different contexts.

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The D'Alembert equation for the mechanical waves was written in 1750. It is not invariant under a Galilean transformation.
Why nobody was shocked about this at the time? Why we had to wait more than a hundred years (Maxwell's equations) to discover that Galilean transformations are wrong? Couldn't we see that they wrong already by looking at the D'Alembert equation for the mechanical waves?
Am I missig something?

Thanks,
F.
 
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Francescob said:
The D'Alembert equation for the mechanical waves was written in 1750. It is not invariant under a Galilean transformation.
Why nobody was shocked about this at the time? Why we had to wait more than a hundred years (Maxwell's equations) to discover that Galilean transformations are wrong? Couldn't we see that they wrong already by looking at the D'Alembert equation for the mechanical waves?
Am I missig something?

Thanks,
F.

D'Alembert's equation for sound waves through air is only valid in the rest frame of the air. If you are moving relative to the air, then the equation as described in your rest frame is modified. It was assumed that Maxwell's equations were similarly modified if you are moving relative to the rest frame of whatever medium electromagnetic waves propagate through.
 
If you consider mechanical waves in a medium, there is nothing strange with the wave equation not satisfying Galilei invariance because the presence of the medium itself violates it. There is really nothing to be upset about in that respect, e.g., sound waves carried by air travel at different velocities to you depending on your motion relative to the medium and this can be confirmed by experiment.

The new thing in relativity is that there seemingly was no medium and the speed of light turned out to be invariant and the same regardless of the state of motion of the observer. There is now no medium to break Galilei invariance.
 
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Maybe, it is worth to mention that exact dynamical equations for media, say, continuity and Euler ones, are invariant under Galilean transformations. D'Alembert equation for sound waves is just approximation for small perturbations of homogeneous non-moving background. It is background, not physical laws themselves, which makes wave equation non-invariant.

The same is true for solids.
 

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