Damped Harmonic Motion Equation

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The discussion revolves around the equation for damped harmonic motion, particularly in the context of experiments involving springs and Hooke's Law. The original poster expresses difficulty in finding a credible source for the equation and seeks assistance in understanding the relationship between the spring constant and damped motion.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the complexities of damped harmonic motion and the need for assumptions, such as small angle approximations in certain cases. There are inquiries about the inclusion of trigonometric functions in the equations and the implications of different damping coefficients on the motion.

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Some participants have provided general guidance on formulating equations based on Newton's second law and the effects of damping. There is an ongoing exploration of how to approach the problem, with suggestions to focus on understanding the physics rather than seeking a specific equation. Multiple interpretations of the problem are being considered, particularly regarding the role of trigonometric functions.

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Participants note the potential for non-linear behavior in the system and emphasize the importance of context in determining the appropriate equations. There are references to external resources for further exploration, but no consensus has been reached on a specific equation or method.

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I am having trouble finding out what the equation for damped harmonic motion is. I have been researching around there there are many small variations on the exponents.

I am conducting an experiment which has involved the use of the spring constant from Hooke's Law and have used a hypothesis which relates the two together. However, I can't seem to find a credible source for a damped harmonic motion equation when using springs. Hopefully, I was wondering whether someone could give one to me here?

Thanks.
 
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It can get quite complicated and non-linear. In some cases (eg pendulum) you have to make the assumption that the angle dispacement is below a certain "small angle" limit.

But most simply, you use hooks law; force is proportional to dispalcement from equilibrium.
and then you think about another "damping" force, that would be proportional to velocity.

So adding the damping force to the normal "springing" force, you have an equation with the first two derivatives of the displacement (remember force is an acceleration):
[URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/2/b/12b7d08830147608e122c8206841515d.png[/URL]

But (as always) it depends on the specifics of your problem...
 
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Onamor said:
It can get quite complicated and non-linear. In some cases (eg pendulum) you have to make the assumption that the angle dispacement is below a certain "small angle" limit.

But most simply, you use hooks law; force is proportional to dispalcement from equilibrium.
and then you think about another "damping" force, that would be proportional to velocity.

So adding the damping force to the normal "springing" force, you have an equation with the first two derivatives of the displacement (remember force is an acceleration):
[URL]http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/1/2/b/12b7d08830147608e122c8206841515d.png[/URL]

But (as always) it depends on the specifics of your problem...

what happens if I need an equation with a trigonometric function in it i.e. cos?
 
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Its going to be infinitely more difficult to find the exact equation you need (and its solution) on the Internet, than just understanding the physics of your problem, formulating and solving your equation.

What to do with a cos term depends on what you need to do... I'd be glad to point you in the right direction if you can give a better description of the problem.
 
The differential equation onamor gave you is a generalized expression using Newton's 2nd Law. The "c" term is the damping coefficient. Depending on how big that coefficient is, the position function could be either an exponential decay ("overdamped" or "critically damped") or it could be the cosine function you mention with an exponential decay envelope.

I'm sure you've looked there already, but the wikipedia page is pretty good: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damping

This is good also http://mathworld.wolfram.com/DampedSimpleHarmonicMotion.html

And this http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/oscda.html

And this site has an applet you can play with: http://phet.colorado.edu/en/simulation/mass-spring-lab
 
Procrastinate said:
what happens if I need an equation with a trigonometric function in it i.e. cos?
It's not clear what you mean by this. Equation for what? Are you talking about a driven harmonic oscillator where the forcing term F(t) is proportional to cos ωt, or are you referring to the solution x(t), which can be oscillatory if the system is underdamped? If it's the former, you just add another term to the differential equation:

m\ddot{x} = F(t)-kx-b\dot{x}

If you know how to solve differential equations, it's probably easiest in the long run if you work through solving the differential equation yourself. It's not trivial, but it's not terribly difficult either. You'll understand what constants go where in the solution and which solution applies instead of trying to guess whether you have the right equation and are using it correctly.
 

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