Damped Harmonic Oscillator/ME loss/freq question

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The discussion focuses on solving a problem related to a damped harmonic oscillator that loses 6.0% of its mechanical energy per cycle. The key equations involved are the natural frequency, given by f_{0} = (1/2π)√(k/m), and the damped frequency, f' = (1/2π)√(k/m - b²/4m²). The solutions indicate that the frequency differs from the natural frequency by -1.21x10^-3%, and the amplitude decreases to 1/e of its original value after approximately 32.3 periods. Participants emphasized the importance of substituting the period into the equations to solve for the unknowns.

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Homework Statement



A damped harmonic oscillator loses 6.0% of it's mechanical energy per cycle. (a) By what percentage does it's frequency differ from the natural frequency f_{0} = (\frac{1}{2\pi})\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}? (b) After how many periods will the amplitude have decreased to \frac{1}{e} of it's original value?

Homework Equations



natural frequency
f_{0} = (\frac{1}{2\pi})\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}

damped frequency
f' = \frac{1}{2\pi}\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}-\frac{b^{2}}{4m^{2}}}

displacement for lightly damped harmonic oscillator
x = Ae^{(\frac{-b}{2m})t}cos\omega't

Total mechanical energy
E = \frac{1}{2}kA^{2} = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2}_{max}

And I know the mean half life, \frac{2m}{b} is the time until oscillations reach 1/e of original.


The Attempt at a Solution



I used the A^2 expression for E and the A decay term, Ae^{(\frac{-b}{2m})t} ,said it loses 6% of E when A^2 = .94A^2 (original) or in other words when Ae^{(\frac{-b}{2m})t} = \sqrt{0.94}A
so, e^{(\frac{-b}{2m})t} = \sqrt{.94}
\frac{-b}{2m}t = \frac{1}{2}ln(.94)
t = \frac{-m}{b}ln(.94)
But this is time and I need it to be one cycle so do I plug the period in for t?
T = 1/f or 2∏ ω?

This is where I'm stuck. The answer is (a) -1.21x10^-3 % and (b) 32.3 periods but I don't see how to clear the unknowns with what is given. I could just copy the answer down but I want to know how to solve it. If anybody can give me hint it would be a great result for my first post here.
 
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Homework Statement



A damped harmonic oscillator loses 6.0% of it's mechanical energy per cycle. (a) By what percentage does it's frequency differ from the natural frequency f_{0} = (\frac{1}{2\pi})\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}? (b) After how many periods will the amplitude have decreased to \frac{1}{e} of it's original value?

Homework Equations



natural frequency
f_{0} = (\frac{1}{2\pi})\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}}

damped frequency
f' = \frac{1}{2\pi}\sqrt{\frac{k}{m}-\frac{b^{2}}{4m^{2}}}

displacement for lightly damped harmonic oscillator
x = Ae^{(\frac{-b}{2m})t}cos\omega't

Total mechanical energy
E = \frac{1}{2}kA^{2} = \frac{1}{2}mv^{2}_{max}

And I know the mean half life, \frac{2m}{b} is the time until oscillations reach 1/e of original.

The Attempt at a Solution



I used the A^2 expression for E and the A decay term, Ae^{(\frac{-b}{2m})t} ,said it loses 6% of E when A^2 = .94A^2 (original) or in other words when Ae^{(\frac{-b}{2m})t} = \sqrt{0.94}A
so, e^{(\frac{-b}{2m})t} = \sqrt{.94}
\frac{-b}{2m}t = \frac{1}{2}ln(.94)
t = \frac{-m}{b}ln(.94)
But this is time and I need it to be one cycle so do I plug the period in for t?
T = 1/f or 2∏ ω?
Yes, that's essentially what you want to do.

In terms of angular frequencies, you have
$$\omega' = 2\pi f' = \sqrt{\omega_0^2-\frac{b^{2}}{4m^{2}}}$$ You also have
$$-\left(\frac{b}{2m}\right)T' = \log \sqrt{0.94}$$ where T'=1/f' is the period of (damped) oscillation. Use it to eliminate (b/2m) from the first equation. Then you'll be able to solve for ω' in terms of ω0.
 
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Thanks. I beat my head against it a while longer and suddenly, there it was! This is one problem I won't forget after the test.
 

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