Damped Oscillators: Homework Solution

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The discussion revolves around the dynamics of damped oscillators, specifically focusing on the effects of friction on the amplitude of oscillation. Participants are examining the equations of motion and energy considerations in the context of a block-spring system.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the equations governing the motion of the block and the role of friction. There are attempts to derive relationships between initial and final amplitudes, and questions arise regarding the direction of forces and the impact of friction on energy dissipation.

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There are multiple interpretations of the effects of friction on amplitude, with some participants suggesting that friction reduces energy and thus amplitude, while others explore the implications of their mathematical derivations. Guidance has been provided regarding the definitions of variables and the setup of equations, but no consensus has been reached.

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After the release the block will move towards right and friction will be towards the left.

##M\ddot x = f - kx##

Solving for ##x##,

##x = A\cos (\omega t) + B\sin(\omega t) + f/k##

Initial conditions are ##x(0) = x_0, \dot x(0) = 0##

##\therefore x(t) = \left(x_0 - \dfrac fk\right)\cos (\omega t) + f/k##

But now how shall I show that amplitude decreases with each oscillation at a constant rate ?
 
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One error that I see is you have Sum of forces = f - kx, which means that you are assuming f is always pointing in the same direction. This is not the case. The friction force (f) will be in the opposite direction of motion.
 
Here is a way to approach it. You can derive (or get formulas from the textbook) that energy of a spring is (1/2)*k*x2, where x is the displacement from equilibrium. Could you make an equation that takes into account the work done by friction (f*d)? Sorry I forgot the squared after x, which has been corrected now.
 
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scottdave said:
One error that I see is you have Sum of forces = f - kx, which means that you are assuming f is always pointing in the same direction. This is not the case. The friction force (f) will be in the opposite direction of motion.

I took the left side of the equilibrium point as +ve axis and other side as negative. Since the spring force is pulling towards right, it is -ve and since friction is towards left it is +ve, but I guess the signs will change with each oscillation.

scottdave said:
Here is a way to approach it. You can derive (or get formulas from the textbook) that energy of a spring is (1/2)*k*x2, where x is the displacement from equilibrium. Could you make an equation that takes into account the work done by friction (f*d)? Sorry I forgot the squared after x, which has been corrected now.

Ok I will try.
 
scottdave said:
One error that I see is you have Sum of forces = f - kx, which means that you are assuming f is always pointing in the same direction. This is not the case. The friction force (f) will be in the opposite direction of motion.

Here is what I did,

##\dfrac 12 kx_0^2 = -\int_0^{x_0 + A} f\cdot dr + \dfrac 12k A^2 \implies kx_0^2 = -2 f(x_0 + A) + k A^2##

Solving for ##A## I got, ##A = - x_0## or ##A = \dfrac {2f}k + x_0##,

Second solution say amplitude increased. Where I am wrong ?
 
Buffu said:
Where I am wrong ?
The work done against friction is ##+
\int_0^{x_0 + A} f\cdot dr##
 
haruspex said:
The work done against friction is ##+
\int_0^{x_0 + A} f\cdot dr##

I felt that should be the case but think of it like this, if friction was not there then the enegry would be ##1/2kA^2##, friction is taking some energy out of it and converting it into heat. So I thought it should be -ve.
 
Buffu said:
I felt that should be the case but think of it like this, if friction was not there then the enegry would be ##1/2kA^2##, friction is taking some energy out of it and converting it into heat. So I thought it should be -ve.
As far as I can see, you have not defined A. x0 is the initial amplitude. From your integral, I deduced A represents the amplitude after one half cycle, i.e. from max displacement one way to max the other way.
The initial energy is ##\frac 12 kx_0^2##. After one half cycle, ##\int _{-x_0}^Af.dr## has gone to friction and the remainder is ##\frac 12kA^2##.
 
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haruspex said:
As far as I can see, you have not defined A. x0 is the initial amplitude. From your integral, I deduced A represents the amplitude after one half cycle, i.e. from max displacement one way to max the other way.
The initial energy is ##\frac 12 kx_0^2##. After one half cycle, ##\int _{-x_0}^Af.dr## has gone to friction and the remainder is ##\frac 12kA^2##.

Ok so after one full oscillation the amplitude will be ##A = x_0 - \dfrac{4f}k##.
 
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Buffu said:
Ok so after one full oscillation the amplitude will be ##A = x_0 - \dfrac{4f}k##.
Yes.
 

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