What is the significance of 54 volts in the Davidson Germer Experiment?

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The discussion centers around the significance of the 54 volts observed in the Davidson Germer Experiment, particularly regarding the diffraction pattern of electrons and the relationship between accelerating voltage and scattering angles. Participants explore the implications of this voltage on the observed maxima in diffraction patterns, as well as historical context related to the experiment.

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  • One participant notes that a pronounced diffraction pattern occurs specifically at 54 volts, with less pronounced peaks at voltages above and below this value.
  • Another participant questions the source of the claim regarding the significance of 54 volts and discusses how the voltage affects the electrons' momenta and de Broglie wavelength, which in turn influences the scattering angle and the position of the first maximum.
  • A participant calculates that at a scattering angle of 50 degrees, the accelerating voltage of 54 volts is necessary to observe the first maximum, suggesting that different voltages would result in maxima at different angles.
  • One participant references historical discrepancies between the original experiment's results and the predictions of the Bragg equation, highlighting that the measured peak did not align with the expected angle due to the electrons' index of refraction.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the 54 volts and its relationship to the diffraction pattern, with some focusing on the technical aspects of electron behavior and others referencing historical context. No consensus is reached regarding the specific significance of the 54 volts.

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Participants mention the dependence of the observed diffraction patterns on the chosen scattering angle and the accelerating voltage, as well as unresolved aspects of the relationship between electron diffraction and classical predictions.

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In the experiment, a pronounced diffraction pattern is observed at an accelerating voltage of 54 volts. Beyond and below 54 volts, the peaks are not pronounced. What is the significance of 54 volts ? Why does the peak become less high below and above the specific value of accelerating voltage.
 
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Do you have a source for this claim? Of course the voltage determines the electrons' momenta and thus their de Broglie wavelength. At a scattering angle determined by this wavelength you get the first maximum.

For a first explanation, see Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Davisson–Germer_experiment
 
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The given scattering angle is 50 degrees and the selected accelerating voltage is 54 volts. If we are looking for the first maximum at a range exactly around 50 degrees of scattering angle, from the calculation, the accelerating voltage should be 54 volts. And beyond and below 54 volts, the first maximum may be displaced and the intensity diagram around 50 degrees of scattering angle will change. In that case, at a different accelerating voltage other than 54 volts, say 50 volts or 60 volts, there will still be a primary maxima observable but at a different angle of diffraction. Other than that, is there any other specific reason to choose 50 degrees and 54 volts as angle of scattering and accelerating potential respectively?
 
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In the Wikipedia article, you should note that their original experiment did not agree with the Bragg equation. That is the measured peak did not occur at the angle which the Bragg equation predicted. The reason was that they failed to realize that the electrons have an index of refraction and are additionally redirected as they exit the crystal.

The following quote is taken from the paper of their continuing experiments.

FROM: REFLECTION OF ELECTRONS BY A CRYSTAL OF NICKEL
By C. J. DAVISSON AND L. H. Germer
BELL Telephone Laboratories Inc., New York City
Communicated March 10, 1928

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/14/4/317.full.pdf

"These results, including the failure of the data to satisfy the Bragg formula, are in accord with those previously obtained in our experiments on electron diffraction. The reflection data fail to satisfy the Bragg relation for the same reason that the electron diffraction beams fail to coincide with their Laue beam analogues. These differences between the electron and x-ray phenomena can perhaps be accounted for by assuming, as first suggested by Eckart,' that the crystal is characterized by an index of refraction for electrons as it is for x-rays, and that for electrons of the speeds used in our experiments the index has values which are quite different from unity.
 
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