DC current from an armature and converting AC to DC....

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The discussion revolves around the conversion of AC to DC using an armature, the mechanisms involved in these conversions, and some historical context regarding electrical systems in automobiles. Participants explore technical aspects of electrical engineering related to armatures, diodes, and inverters.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Historical

Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks if DC can be made using an armature and how this process works.
  • Another participant suggests that AC induced in an armature can be converted to DC using a mechanical commutator.
  • A different viewpoint states that AC to DC conversion is achieved using diodes and an exciter circuit, with a reference to car alternators and their operation.
  • Participants discuss the historical transition from DC generators to alternators in automobiles, mentioning issues with older mechanical systems.
  • There are reflections on the evolution of car radios from vacuum tubes to modern electronic components, illustrating the changes in technology over time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no consensus on the mechanisms of conversion between AC and DC, as participants present differing methods and components involved. The discussion includes both technical explanations and historical anecdotes, indicating a mix of agreement on historical context but disagreement on technical details.

Contextual Notes

Participants express various assumptions about the mechanisms of conversion and the historical context of electrical systems, but these assumptions are not universally accepted or clarified, leaving some points unresolved.

Hadron
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I cannot find answers to this on the internet. Can a d/c be made using an armature? How?
How does one convert a/c 2 d/c (or d/c to a/c)
thirdly, why does the band a/c d/c come up as the first result on google?

(don't answer the last question.)
 
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Hadron said:
Can a d/c be made using an armature? How?
How does one convert a/c 2 d/c (or d/c to a/c)
An armature is a set of coils connected together. If AC is induced in the armature by an alternating magnetic field, that AC typically gets converted to DC via a mechanical commutator.

To convert DC to AC, an inverter is used. An inverter may consist of a motor-generator set, or more commonly done electronically with an array of switching transistors.
 
Well actually, you convert a/c to d/c using diodes, and an exciter circuit, for the outer field winding's, that need to be mounted in a heat sink. Think about a common car alternator. The sine wave of the electric pulses, are clipped, by the diode board, to use only the positive pulses, the negative pluses are shunted to ground, hence the heat sink, and the number of pulses per rotation, of the spinning armature, inside the outer field winding's, determines the smoothness, of the final d/c output. In reverse, a transistorized circuit board is used, also in a heat sink, to take the steady d/c current, clip it, invert half of it, at the required frequency, of say our 110- 120 cycles/ second. Thank goodness, and we should all give a minute of silence, to the first "flying wire" transistor,and the diode, least we be driving around, plagued by vacuum tube boxes the size of a bread box's in our cars.
 
Quickbobo said:
Thank goodness, and we should all give a minute of silence, to the first "flying wire" transistor,and the diode, least we be driving around, plagued by vacuum tube boxes the size of a bread box's in our cars.
They used to have car vacuum tube radio that size, then they went to miniature vacuum tubes and the radios became a little bit smaller.

Before the alternator automobiles had a DC generator to charge the battery and provide current for the headlights and all that jazz.
 
256bits said:
They used to have car vacuum tube radio that size, then they went to miniature vacuum tubes and the radios became a little bit smaller. Before the alternator automobiles had a DC generator to charge the battery and provide current for the headlights and all that jazz.


I'm well aware of this, in my fairly advanced age, but we were talking about conversions of currents. Lot's of old cars use to have their electrical systems w/ the positive terminal going to ground also, but it was the advent of modern electronic components, that allowed us to use alternators, instead of the generators, and mechanical regulators, w/ their numerous problems, such as brush ware, commutator ring burn out, regulator point pitting/ burn out, regulator hold down coil burn out, and the like..
 
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Quickbobo said:
I'm well aware of this, in my fairly advanced age, but we were talking about conversions of currents. Lot's of old cars use to have their electrical systems w/ the positive terminal going to ground also, but it was the advent of modern electronic components, that allowed us to use alternators, instead of the generators, and mechanical regulators, w/ their numerous problems, such as brush ware, commutator ring burn out, regulator point pitting/ burn out, regulator hold down coil burn out, and the like..
That was the fun part. At least one could feel they were doing something to tune up their vehicle.
I really miss the carburetor freezing up in winter. and the smell of starting fluid.
Or sticking a screwdriver in the throttle, just to show your girlfriend you knew what you were doing when it wouldn't start.
Those were the days.
I think I am really getting off topic.
 

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