De Sitter Universe: Divergent Parallel Lines?

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The discussion revolves around the properties of geodesics in a De Sitter Universe, specifically examining the behavior of parallel lines in a hyperboloid embedded in Minkowski space. The focus includes the implications of Gaussian curvature and the nature of the metric used, exploring both theoretical and conceptual aspects.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes a hyperboloid with a specific equation embedded in Minkowski space, noting its positive Gaussian curvature and the presence of divergent parallel geodesics.
  • Another participant questions the nature of the geodesics, suggesting that the intuition about converging parallels applies only in spaces with a positive definite metric or for spacelike geodesics in Lorentzian metrics.
  • A later reply confirms that the hyperbolas in question are timelike and acknowledges that the behavior of geodesics differs in a manifold with a negative metric.
  • There is an assertion that in a manifold with positive definite metrics, parallel geodesics converge, while this does not hold in the discussed negative metric scenario.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the behavior of geodesics in different types of metrics, but there is no consensus on the implications of these properties in the context of the De Sitter Universe, leaving some aspects of the discussion unresolved.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the dependence on the signature of the embedding space and the nature of the metric, which may influence the behavior of geodesics. There are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of Gaussian curvature in different metric contexts.

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The hyperboloid with equation: ## z^2=x^2+y^2-1 ##, embedded in standard 3-D Minkowski space ( +, +, - ) so that ## z^2 ## is negative, has positive Gaussian curvature equal to 1 ( as found directly from its metric: ## ds^2 = \sqrt{ -dτ^2+(Coshτ)^2 dθ^2 } ## induced from the ambient Minkowski metric ) and is representing a 2-dimensional De Sitter Universe submanifold.

Nevertheless, there exist parallel geodesic lines ( the hyperbolas on the surface perpendicular to the circle ## x^2+y^2=1 ## ) which diverge instead of converging as intuition has it, for surfaces of constant positive curvature.

Is this a characteristic of the signature of the embedding space to have such divergent parallels, contrary to the all convergent parallels of a constant positive Gaussian curvature surface embedded in a ( +, +, .., + ) space, say?
 
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dagmar said:
there exist parallel geodesic lines ( the hyperbolas on the surface perpendicular to the circle ##x^2+y^2=1## ) which diverge instead of converging as intuition has it, for surfaces of constant positive curvature.

These hyperbolas are timelike, correct? The intuition you refer to is only valid in a manifold with a positive definite metric, or for spacelike geodesics in a manifold with Lorentzian metric.
 
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PeterDonis said:
These hyperbolas are timelike, correct? The intuition you refer to is only valid in a manifold with a positive definite metric, or for spacelike geodesics in a manifold with Lorentzian metric.
So this settles my question. Yes, they are time-like.
I take your word Peter, that if the Gaussian curvature is positive and everywhere constant in a manifold with a positive definite metric then parallel geodesic lines always converge.
In my case the metric is negative, so this is not the case. And indeed, like you said spacelike geodesics converge in my manifold example. They are just the ellipse-like lines generated when the hyperboloid is cut by planes passing through the origin (0,0,0) at an angle less than 45 degrees.
Thank you.
 
dagmar said:
if the Gaussian curvature is positive and everywhere constant in a manifold with a positive definite metric then parallel geodesic lines always converge.

Yes, AFAIK that's correct.
 

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