Dear EE'S I - sizing electromagnets

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the sizing of electromagnets, specifically whether different sizes can produce the same magnetic field and forces, such as attraction and repulsion. Participants explore the implications of changing the physical dimensions of an electromagnet while maintaining its magnetic properties.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires if it is possible to build electromagnets of different sizes that produce the same magnetic field and forces, referencing the equation B = unl.
  • Another participant expresses a desire to expand the electromagnet's area without altering the magnetic field or forces obtained from a previous electromagnet, suggesting that increasing the physical size may require more power.
  • A suggestion is made to use a simulator, specifically 'vizimag', to test the scaling and calculate magnetic forces, which is noted as a complex issue.
  • A later post clarifies that the participant intends to increase only the area of the core, hypothesizing that this may lead to a decrease in the number of turns while keeping the current constant.
  • One participant requests more information and sketches to better understand the initial question, indicating a need for clarity in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants have not reached a consensus, as there are varying interpretations of how changes in size affect magnetic properties and the requirements for power input. Some participants propose ideas while others seek clarification.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions made about the relationship between size, number of turns, and current. The discussion does not resolve the complexities of magnetic field calculations or the implications of scaling.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in electromagnet design, electrical engineering students, and those exploring magnetic field theory may find this discussion relevant.

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Dear EE'S! I need help -- sizing electromagnets

Is it possibile to built different electromagnet's sizes, that can produce the same magnetic field and forces(e.g attraction/repulsion)?
If so how can I do that? By following this law: B = unl
By controlling the number of turns or the amount of current flowing in, I can do that?
 
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The reason, is that I'd like to expand the electromagnet's area without changing the magnetic field or the forces that I was able to get from my frist electromagnet X.
I want to build electromagnet Y that is larger and equally the same as X interms of the magnetic field and forces.

Since I'm only increasing the physical size of the electromagnet's area/w x h would that require more input?(I have a limited power source!).
 
I would recommend trying out your re-scaling using a simulator. Search for 'vizimag', it's free and relatively easy to use. It will also calculate magnetic forces, which is not a simple problem.
 
Ow I forgot to say!
That I'm just increasing the area of the core. So the electromagnet would be bigger.
I guess that the number of turns would decrease, the current would stay the same and its possibile to do?
 
Your question is not clear.
If you provide more information and maybe some sketches, someone may be able to help you.
 

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