How can I make my homemade electromagnets repel each other?

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The discussion revolves around the challenge of making homemade electromagnets repel each other. Participants explore various factors affecting the performance of the electromagnets, including design, materials, and electrical input. The scope includes experimental approaches and technical reasoning related to electromagnetism.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes their homemade electromagnets and notes that they do not repel as expected when opposite poles are brought together, despite attempts to modify the design.
  • Another participant requests additional visual information (pics, schematics, videos) to better understand the setup.
  • A participant inquires about the voltage applied to the electromagnets and whether they heat up during operation.
  • One participant suggests measuring the currents in the coils and questions if all windings in the second coil are oriented in the same direction.
  • Another participant proposes that if one magnet is stronger, it may dominate the interaction, suggesting that both magnets should be wound with the same core size and number of turns to achieve proper attraction and repulsion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various hypotheses and suggestions, but no consensus is reached regarding the specific cause of the issue or the best solution to achieve repulsion between the electromagnets.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention the use of different core materials and the number of coil turns, but the impact of these factors on the performance of the electromagnets remains unresolved. Additionally, there is uncertainty regarding the electrical characteristics of the setup, such as current measurements and voltage application.

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I have two homemade electromagnets and I need them to repel each other (essentially, be able to physically spin around). Each feels about as strong as a decent fridge magnet when connected, however when I put their opposite poles next to each other, they do not repel - they only feel like they're not attracting each other. I've tried adding more turns (they're both around 7-9 layers of coils deep and I'd rather not make them any thicker if possible) and using different core materials (all of which are ferromagnetic) but nothing is making any difference. How can I fix this?
 
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corydax said:
I have two homemade electromagnets and I need them to repel each other (essentially, be able to physically spin around). Each feels about as strong as a decent fridge magnet when connected, however when I put their opposite poles next to each other, they do not repel - they only feel like they're not attracting each other. I've tried adding more turns (they're both around 7-9 layers of coils deep and I'd rather not make them any thicker if possible) and using different core materials (all of which are ferromagnetic) but nothing is making any difference. How can I fix this?
Pics? Schematics? Videos?

Oh, and Welcome to the :PF. :smile:
 
berkeman said:
Pics? Schematics? Videos?

Oh, and Welcome to the :PF. :smile:

Thank you!

They look kind of rough right now because I've been experimenting with stuff a lot (this is my first time doing something like this), plus I'm only using materials I had on hand, but here they are. The one in the first pic is stronger, if that helps answer my question at all.
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How much voltage are you applying?

Does it get hot?
 
anorlunda said:
How much voltage are you applying?

Does it get hot?

I usually use 2 6-volt batteries for each magnet, which gets hot fairly quickly (within 30-45s).

Edit: It gets hotter much faster for the first (stronger) magnet of the two pictures I sent. It's possible that the problem is with the second magnet.
 
Can you measure currents?

Looking at the wire mess (sorry for being blunt, my experiments often don't look much better if it helps) I wonder if all windings in the second coil are in the same direction.
 
If one magnet is stronger than the other, it will pull harder on the steel core of the weaker magnet than the weaker magnet repels the stronger magnet. Try winding two magnets using the same size cores and the same number of turns, then connecting them in series on the same battery (so they both get the same current). Then they should attract and repel properly.

And let us know how it works out.
 

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