Deceleration Calculation for Drag Force with Varying Units

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The discussion centers on the calculation of deceleration due to drag force, specifically addressing the equations a = -0.003v and a = -0.003v². Participants confirm that the correct deceleration for the problem is -0.003v, leading to a total time of 1544.46 seconds (approximately 25 minutes) for the object to decelerate. The conversation highlights the importance of using appropriate units for acceleration, suggesting that the constant should be expressed in s⁻¹ and m⁻¹ for clarity. The analysis concludes that while the calculated time is accurate, the deceleration model may need to be reconsidered for high-speed scenarios.

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Homework Statement


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I forgot if the deceleration is -0.003v or same here -0.003v2

Homework Equations


v = u + at (first acceleration)
dv/dt = a (deceleratioin) = -0.003v^2

The Attempt at a Solution


From first equation,
342.2 = 0 + 30*t1
t1= 11.407s

From 2nd equation,
dv/v2 = -0.003
[-1/3.422] - [-1/342.2] = -0.003 (t2-t1)

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If the decelerate is -0.003v
dv/v = -0.003
ln (3.422) - ln (342.2) = -0.003 (t2-t1)

t2 (total time) = 1544.46 s

Is the answer making sense?
 
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Updates: should be -0.003 v
 
nysnacc said:

Homework Statement


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I forgot if the deceleration is -0.003v or same here -0.003v2

Homework Equations


v = u + at (first acceleration)
dv/dt = a (deceleratioin) = -0.003v^2

The Attempt at a Solution


From first equation,
342.2 = 0 + 30*t1
t1= 11.407s

From 2nd equation,
dv/v2 = -0.003
[-1/3.422] - [-1/342.2] = -0.003 (t2-t1)

Correct, so what is t2, the total time?
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nysnacc said:
If the decelerate is -0.003v
dv/v = -0.003
ln (3.422) - ln (342.2) = -0.003 (t2-t1)

t2 (total time) = 1544.46 s

Is the answer making sense?
In the problem text, the deceleration is a = -0.003 v2, and you did not calculate the time. In case of a= -0.003v, your answer is correct. Use four significant digits.
 
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ehild said:
Correct, so what is t2, the total time?
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In the problem text, the deceleration is a = -0.003 v2, and you did not calculate the time. In case of a= -0.003v, your answer is correct. Use four significant digits.
thanks for reply. The question was using a = -0.003v as deceleration.
And my t is 1544.46s, which is 25 min, is it making sense? because it is soooo long.
 
nysnacc said:
thanks for reply. The question was using a = -0.003v as deceleration.
And my t is 1544.46s, which is 25 min, is it making sense? because it is soooo long.
Yes, it is correct, with that low deceleration, which is linear in velocity. At that high speed, quadratic deceleration would be more realistic
 
ehild said:
Yes, it is correct, with that low deceleration, which is linear in velocity. At that high speed, quadratic deceleration would be more realistic
Okay thanks, I double checked the question, it uses v instead of v2, which you mentioned to be more realistic.
 
On a pedantic note, the question should not give the acceleration as either -0.003v m/s2 or -0.003v2 m/s2.
Rather, the units should be given as s-1 and m-1 respectively. This is because v will come with its own units. The units specified in the expression for a should only be the units of the -0.003 constant.
 

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