Deceleration Calculation for Drag Force with Varying Units

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the calculation of deceleration due to drag force, specifically examining the expressions for deceleration as either -0.003v or -0.003v². Participants are exploring the implications of these expressions in the context of a physics problem involving motion and time calculations.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to determine the correct form of deceleration and its impact on time calculations. There are discussions about the validity of using -0.003v versus -0.003v², and how this affects the computed total time of 1544.46 seconds. Questions arise regarding the realism of the results given the high speed and low deceleration.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing clarification regarding the correct expression for deceleration, with some participants affirming the use of -0.003v. Others are questioning the appropriateness of the units used in the expressions for acceleration, suggesting that they should be expressed differently. The discussion is active, with participants providing feedback and checking assumptions without reaching a definitive conclusion.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem statement originally used -0.003v as the deceleration, and there is concern about the implications of the long calculated time. The conversation also touches on the need for clarity in the units associated with the acceleration expressions.

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Homework Statement


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I forgot if the deceleration is -0.003v or same here -0.003v2

Homework Equations


v = u + at (first acceleration)
dv/dt = a (deceleratioin) = -0.003v^2

The Attempt at a Solution


From first equation,
342.2 = 0 + 30*t1
t1= 11.407s

From 2nd equation,
dv/v2 = -0.003
[-1/3.422] - [-1/342.2] = -0.003 (t2-t1)

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If the decelerate is -0.003v
dv/v = -0.003
ln (3.422) - ln (342.2) = -0.003 (t2-t1)

t2 (total time) = 1544.46 s

Is the answer making sense?
 
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Updates: should be -0.003 v
 
nysnacc said:

Homework Statement


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I forgot if the deceleration is -0.003v or same here -0.003v2

Homework Equations


v = u + at (first acceleration)
dv/dt = a (deceleratioin) = -0.003v^2

The Attempt at a Solution


From first equation,
342.2 = 0 + 30*t1
t1= 11.407s

From 2nd equation,
dv/v2 = -0.003
[-1/3.422] - [-1/342.2] = -0.003 (t2-t1)

Correct, so what is t2, the total time?
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nysnacc said:
If the decelerate is -0.003v
dv/v = -0.003
ln (3.422) - ln (342.2) = -0.003 (t2-t1)

t2 (total time) = 1544.46 s

Is the answer making sense?
In the problem text, the deceleration is a = -0.003 v2, and you did not calculate the time. In case of a= -0.003v, your answer is correct. Use four significant digits.
 
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ehild said:
Correct, so what is t2, the total time?
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In the problem text, the deceleration is a = -0.003 v2, and you did not calculate the time. In case of a= -0.003v, your answer is correct. Use four significant digits.
thanks for reply. The question was using a = -0.003v as deceleration.
And my t is 1544.46s, which is 25 min, is it making sense? because it is soooo long.
 
nysnacc said:
thanks for reply. The question was using a = -0.003v as deceleration.
And my t is 1544.46s, which is 25 min, is it making sense? because it is soooo long.
Yes, it is correct, with that low deceleration, which is linear in velocity. At that high speed, quadratic deceleration would be more realistic
 
ehild said:
Yes, it is correct, with that low deceleration, which is linear in velocity. At that high speed, quadratic deceleration would be more realistic
Okay thanks, I double checked the question, it uses v instead of v2, which you mentioned to be more realistic.
 
On a pedantic note, the question should not give the acceleration as either -0.003v m/s2 or -0.003v2 m/s2.
Rather, the units should be given as s-1 and m-1 respectively. This is because v will come with its own units. The units specified in the expression for a should only be the units of the -0.003 constant.
 

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