Definite integration of f(x)/sqrt(-(x-q1)(x-q2))

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The discussion revolves around the definite integral of the function sin(a x) / (x sqrt(-(x-q1)(x-q2))) from x=q1 to x=q2, where a, x, q1, and q2 are real numbers. Participants explore the challenges of evaluating this integral, particularly due to the presence of the square root in the denominator, and consider related integrals involving quadratic functions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in evaluating the definite integral and questions whether this area of integration has been previously addressed.
  • Another suggests expanding the non-sine portion of the integrand into a Laurent series for term-by-term integration, although this is presented as a suggestion rather than a definitive approach.
  • A participant mentions a reluctance to tackle the problem analytically due to rusty calculus skills and hopes it is a standard problem that has been solved before.
  • There is a reference to a specific integral related to the potential of a charged ring, indicating that similar forms of integrals have been encountered in physics contexts.
  • Concerns are raised about the necessity of closing the contour for contour integration, particularly regarding the limits of integration and whether one limit needs to extend to infinity.
  • Another participant notes that while the indefinite integral may be straightforward, the definite integral could be simpler due to its physical interpretation related to the potential of a full ring.
  • There is mention of the limitations of available computational tools, with one participant noting that the Wolfram online integrator fails for certain forms of the integral.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach to evaluate the integral, and multiple competing views on methods and challenges remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the analytical methods available for evaluating the integral, particularly in relation to contour integration and the behavior of the integrand at the limits of integration.

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Recently I fruitlessly asked if anybody could help with the definite integral of
sin(a x) / ( x sqrt(-(x-q1)(x-q2)) )
from x=q1 to x=q2 where a,x, q1 and q2 are all real.

If the sqrt wasn't there one could use contour integration and consider residues at q1,q2 and 0 but with the sqrt I am somewhat stumped.

Yet this seems an obvious area to me: integrations between the roots of a quadratic Q(x) of functions of the form f(x) / Q(x)^alpha .

Is this really virgin territory?
 
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I have to say I probably have never done such integrals before (i may have but if it is must be some time ago), have you tried expanding the bit without the sin as a Laurent series and see if you can do term by term integration? Note: this is just a suggestion, not a hint. :smile:
 
Thanks for that. I've not tried it. I'm not that keen on tackling this analytically since my calculus is very rusty and I was hoping it would be a standard problem, already tackled.

The definite integral between the quadratic roots of f(x) / sqrt(Q(x)) for f(x) ammoung the basic fundamental functions (x^n, sin(a x), exp(x) etc) feels
like a field that somebody would have addressed.

If, for example, you integrate V(sqrt(x^2 + r^2 + R^2 - 2 x R cos(theta)))
from theta=0 to 2 pi corresponding to the potential at (x,0,z)
of an origin centred ring of radius R of matter generating radial potential V(r)
and make the obvious substitution you face the integral from
s=s1= z^2+(r-R)^2 to s=s2= z^2+(r+R)^2 of
V(sqrt(s)) / sqrt(Q(s))
where Q(s) = -(s-s1)(s-s2)
so with f(x) = 1/sqrt(x) we have the Coulomb potential of a charged ring.










t arises as the potential of a circular ring of integration arounnd a ring
 
Putting the limits of the integral aside, if you can analytically do the indefinite integral then no worries about the limits at all. My concern is that if you want to do it as a contour integral, don't you need at least one limit to go to [tex]\pm\infty[/tex]? So that you can actually close the contour, Or is there a neat trick somewhere to avoid that? I must admit I haven't thought about this carefully so far... but if you are not keen on doing it analytically, you may as well do it numerically. or try using Mathematica to see whether you actual have analytic solution first.
 
Obviously if you can do the indefinite integral the definite is easy but I suspect the definite integral (corresponding to the potential of a full ring) is likely to be easier. To do it with contour you'd obviously have to close the contour from q1 to q2 somehow.

I don't have Mathematica. The Wolfram online integrator fails for indefinite integrals of sin(a x)/ sqrt(-(x-b)(x-c)) and sin(a x)/x / sqrt(-(x-b)(x-c))
 

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