Definition of compactness in the EXTENDED complex plane?

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The discussion centers on the definition of compactness in the extended complex plane, denoted as \mathbb C^* = \mathbb C \cup \{ \infty \}. Participants explore how compact sets are characterized in this context, particularly considering the implications of including the point at infinity.

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  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the general definition of compactness involves the existence of a finite subcover for any open cover of the set.
  • Others argue that compactness can also be defined by the property that every infinite sequence of points in the set has a subsequence that converges to a point within the set.
  • A participant notes that \mathbb C^* is compact due to its construction via one-point compactification, implying that all closed subsets of this space are compact.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need to specify the topology being used, suggesting that the question of what constitutes compact sets is not well-defined without this specification.
  • Some participants challenge the equivalence of certain definitions of compactness, particularly regarding the necessity of first countability for the equivalence of compactness and sequential compactness.
  • There is a discussion about the requirement of Hausdorffness for compact sets to be closed, indicating that this condition is not universally applicable.
  • A participant expresses confusion over earlier statements and appreciates clarifications provided by others, indicating ongoing dialogue and refinement of understanding.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the definitions and implications of compactness in the extended complex plane, with multiple competing views and clarifications being presented throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in understanding due to the dependence on the chosen topology and the nuances of definitions related to compactness, sequential compactness, and closed sets.

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Definition of "compactness" in the EXTENDED complex plane?

How does one define a compact set in the extended complex plane \mathbb C^* = \mathbb C \cup \{ \infty \}? "Closed and bounded" doesn't really make sense anymore, as I'm assuming it's permissible for a compact set to contain the point at infinity...right? I guess the "finite subcover" definition still holds, as always, but this doesn't seem very useful. Are there other, more helpful, equivalent characterizations for compact subsets of \mathbb C^*?
 
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The general definition of "compact" is "Given any open cover for the set, there exist a finite subcover". That is, a set, A, is compact if and only if whenever \{U_\alpha\} is a collection of open sets such that every point of A is in at least one of those sets, there exist a finite collection of those same sets that have the same property.

Another, equivalent, definition is that a set, A, is compact if and only if every infinite sequence of points in A has a subsequence that converges to a point in A.

Using either of those you can prove that a compact set is closed and, in a metric space where "bounded" is defined, a bounded set. You can prove, in R^n that any "closed and bounded" set satisfies those definitions.
 
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As \mathbb C^* = \mathbb C \cup \{ \infty \} is a compact space (in fact it's obtained from \mathbb C by a general process called one-point, or Hausdorff, compactification), all it's closed subset will be compact. What are the closed subsets of \mathbb C^* (don't forget you can identify it with 2-sphere)?
 


If you take the topology to be the one-point compactification, then it's a definition.

If you don't, then you have to tell us what your topology is. The way the question is phrased is basically "What should the compact sets be?", which of course isn't well-defined.
 


zhentil said:
If you take the topology to be the one-point compactification, then it's a definition.

If you don't, then you have to tell us what your topology is. The way the question is phrased is basically "What should the compact sets be?", which of course isn't well-defined.

Interesting! Thanks! That kind of makes sense, since closed subsets of compact spaces are necessarily compact.

As to the question you've posed about characterizing closed subsets of \mathbb C^*, though...is there something more intuitive or convenient than just "a set that contains all its limit points" or "a set whose complement is open?"
 


HallsofIvy said:
The general definition of "compact" is "Given any open cover for the set, there exist a finite subcover". That is, a set, A, is compact if and only if whenever \{U_\alpha\} is a collection of open sets such that every point of A is in at least one of those sets, there exist a finite collection of those same sets that have the same property.
That's what AxiomOfChoice already mentioned: "I guess the "finite subcover" definition still holds, as always, but this doesn't seem very useful."
Another, equivalent, definition is that a set, A, is compact if and only if every infinite sequence of points in A has a subsequence that converges to a point in A.
No, these are not equivalent. You need the topological space to be first countable, then compact and sequentially compact (= every sequence has a converging subsequence) are equivalent. There are topological spaces which are compact but not seq. compact.
Using either of those you can prove that a compact set is closed
No, this is also not true. You need Hausdorffness for that.
You can prove, in [math]R^n[/math] that any "closed and bounded" set satisfies those definitions.
That's also what TS already mentioned: ""Closed and bounded" doesn't really make sense anymore."

@AxiomOfChoice: also see here (pdf) for some explantion about the Riemann sphere and it's topology.
 


Landau said:
That's what AxiomOfChoice already mentioned: "I guess the "finite subcover" definition still holds, as always, but this doesn't seem very useful."

No, these are not equivalent. You need the topological space to be first countable, then compact and sequentially compact (= every sequence has a converging subsequence) are equivalent. There are topological spaces which are compact but not seq. compact.
No, this is also not true. You need Hausdorffness for that.
That's also what TS already mentioned: ""Closed and bounded" doesn't really make sense anymore."

@AxiomOfChoice: also see here (pdf) for some explantion about the Riemann sphere and it's topology.

Landau, thanks for this post. Some of the things HallsofIvy said confused me, and you cleared them up. Also, thanks for the PDF; I'm looking over it now.
 

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