Definition of Complex Conjugate

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The discussion revolves around the definition of the complex conjugate of a complex number, specifically why it is defined as (a - bi) instead of other possible forms like (-a + bi). Participants explore the implications of this definition in the context of complex analysis and its properties.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the significance of defining the conjugate as (a - bi) and suggests that changing the sign of the real part (-a + bi) could still yield a real number when multiplied with the original complex number.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of the product of a complex number and its conjugate being positive, which supports the current definition.
  • Some participants note that both a and b are arbitrary real numbers, leading to discussions about the redundancy of changing the sign of a.
  • A participant mentions that the definition is likely more useful as it allows for the absolute value of a complex number to be defined positively.
  • One participant argues that the formula for the absolute value is not a strong motivating example for the definition of the conjugate.
  • Another participant introduces the idea that complex conjugation can be viewed as an automorphism of the complex numbers that fixes the real numbers, providing a more formal perspective on the definition.
  • There is a mention of the uniqueness of the conjugate as the only nontrivial automorphism that fixes the reals, contrasting it with other possible mappings.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the significance and utility of the definition of the complex conjugate. While some agree on its mathematical properties, others question the rationale behind the specific definition, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight that the discussion is based on the properties of complex numbers and their conjugates, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the implications of alternative definitions.

Jest3r
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Hey all, I was just curious:

Why is the conjugate of a complex number (a + bi) defined as (a - bi)? If we instead change the sign of the real part (-a + bi), we still get a real number when we multiply the two. Is there a particular significance to the current definition?

Thanks a lot for your time!
 
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For one thing, you want the product of a complex number and its conjugate to be positive.
 
a is an arbitrary real number anyway, so -a is redundant.
 
b is an arbitrary real number as well, he's asking why you reverse the sign of b and not a, for which i do not have an answer. my best guess is that its just more useful to define it that way.
 
Doc Al gave the correct response. With \overline{z}= a- bi, the product z*\overline{z}= a^2+ b^2> 0 so we can define |z|= \sqrt{z\overline{z}}=\sqrt{a^2+ b^2}, the distance from z, as a point in the complex plane, to 0.

If we defined \overline{z}= -a+ bi, then z\overline{z} would be equal to -a^2- b^2 and would have to use |z|= \sqrt{-z\overline{z}}.

Of course, this whole thread is a question, not a "learning material" so I am moving it to "General Math".
 
The formula for the absolute value of a complex number is hardly a motivating example.


Somewhere at the start of complex analysis, we said "Let i be a square root of -1", and we built everything on top of that. However, we could have picked the other square root of -1, and worked with that one instead. Complex conjugation swaps back and forth between the two possibilities.
 
I use the mnemonic that the 'circle' has a positive and a negative surface, which meet at the x axis, so y = +/- i

You just use an ordinary circle and say the ordinal is imaginary (fold a circle of paper in half, now it has two imaginary surfaces hidden 'inside'.
 
Hurkyl has a good point. Let me try to describe further.

The important properties of complex conjugation are that (1) it is an automorphism of C, and (2) it fixes R. (An automorphism of C is a one-to-one and onto function f: CC such f(z + w) = f(z) + f(w) and f(zw) = f(z)f(w) for all z and w in C; f fixes R if f(z) = z for all z in R.) Moreover, it is the unique nontrivial one (that is, it is the only one that is not the identity function). The map a + bi ↦ -a + bi is not an automorphism (if f(a + bi) = -a + bi, then f(i)2 = i2 = -1, but f(i2) = f(-1) = 1).

Proof: You already know that conjugation is an automorphism of C that fixes R. To prove uniqueness, let f be an automorphism of C that fixes R. Then f(-1) = -1. But f(-1) = f(i2) = f(i)2, so f(i)2 = -1. Thus, f(i) = i or f(i) = -i. Now for any z in C, write z = a + bi, where a and b are in R. Then f(z) = f(a + bi) = f(a) + f(b)f(i) = a + bf(i). If f(i) = i, then f(z) = a + bi = z, so f is the identity. If f(i) = -i, then f(z) = a - bi, which is the conjugate of z.
 
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Good explanation, Hurkyl.
 

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