Definition of Torque: What Is Torque?

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The discussion revolves around the definition of torque, specifically the equation t = r x F, where r and F are vectors. Participants explore the nature of the position vector r, its relationship to the axis of rotation, and the components of the force vector F. The scope includes conceptual clarification and technical explanation of torque in physics.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether r is a true position vector or simply the distance from the axis of rotation to the mass, and whether it represents the initial position of the mass with respect to the axis of rotation.
  • Another participant clarifies that if the rotation axis passes through point O and a force is applied at point P, then r is defined as the vector from O to P, noting that this definition is valid when the rotation axis is perpendicular to both vectors.
  • A third participant states that r is a vector pointing from the axis of rotation to the point where the force acts, emphasizing that the cross product of r and F provides the direction and magnitude of the torque, and that F can be expressed in its x, y, and z components.
  • One participant suggests a website as a potential resource for further understanding torque.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying interpretations of the definition of r and its relationship to the force vector F. There is no consensus on whether r should be considered a true position vector or merely a distance, indicating ongoing debate and exploration of the topic.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the definitions of r and F remain unresolved, and the discussion does not include diagrams that may clarify the relationships between the vectors involved.

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Hello,

I found the equation for torque to be t = r x F, where r and F are vectors. I have several questions about this; is r a true position vector, or is it the distance from the axis of rotation to the mass? is r the initial position of the mass with respect to the axis of rotation?

My current understanding of the equation is the r is the initial position of the mass, and that F is simply the force resolved into its x,y and z components. Is this true?
 
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if the rotation axis passes through point O and a force ##\vec F## is applied at point P, the ##\vec r = \overrightarrow{OP}## ... that definition works when rotation axis is perpendicular to both. There should have been a diagram with the equation.
 
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r is a vector that points from the axis of rotation to where the force vector acts. The force is then the force acting on that point on r. The cross product of both vectors will give you the direction and magnitude of the torque. Therefore the force is the force that acts on the pivot arm, which can be simplified as x,y,z components.
 
Perhaps this website might help? https://www.physics.uoguelph.ca/tutorials/torque/Q.torque.intro.html
 

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