Deflection of a Magnet in an Inhomogenous Magnetic Field

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of a magnet moving through an inhomogeneous magnetic field, specifically focusing on the reasons for the curvature of its path compared to its motion in a homogeneous field. Participants explore concepts related to magnetic dipoles, precession, and the effects of magnetic field gradients on motion.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a magnet's path curves in an inhomogeneous magnetic field, suggesting that the precession force affects the overall momentum rather than just causing a wobble.
  • Another participant explains that in a uniform field, dipoles experience equal forces, while in a gradient, one end is pulled harder, leading to a net force that alters the path.
  • A later reply indicates that the magnet will continue to precess, raising the possibility of a helical path, but this is not universally accepted.
  • Some participants note that dipoles with angular momentum will precess about flux lines and be attracted to stronger fields, suggesting that the center of mass will not follow a helical path but will move towards regions of stronger field.
  • One participant summarizes the interaction as a magnet attracting or repelling another magnet, proposing that the orientation of the free magnet is a complex function of the field's flux lines and the precession of its poles.
  • Another participant provides mathematical expressions for the force and torque acting on a magnetic dipole in a magnetic field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of the magnet's path in an inhomogeneous field, with some suggesting a helical trajectory while others argue it will be directed towards stronger fields. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact nature of the path.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the behavior of magnetic dipoles and the specifics of precession in varying magnetic fields are not fully explored, leaving open questions about the dynamics involved.

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Say I've got a magnet flying through empty space in a homogenous magnetic field. The magnet precesses and flies in a straight path. Now make that magnetic field inhomogenous. The magnet precesses and flies in a curved path. What I can't figure out is why the path is curved. It is because the precession force is stronger on some parts of the magnet as compared with others. But why does this affect the path of the magnet as a whole? I wrongly think it should only cause a wobble or something like that, not change the momentum of the object as a whole.
 
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In an external field the dipoles will tend to orient along the field. It the field is uniform the dipole is equally repelled and attracted. It there is a gradient, one end of the dipole will be pulled harder than the other is repelled (or vice versa). The generalization to continuous media is obvious I think.
 
hutchphd said:
In an external field the dipoles will tend to orient along the field. It the field is uniform the dipole is equally repelled and attracted. It there is a gradient, one end of the dipole will be pulled harder than the other is repelled (or vice versa). The generalization to continuous media is obvious I think.

Thanks to you I see why the flight path is no longer straight. Now let's see if I have this right. The magnet will continue to precess, so the direction of the force will not be constant. The path will be a helix?
 
The dipoles, if they have angular momentum as well (this is NMR ?), will precess about the flux lines at a rate proportional to the local field strength. In addition they will be attracted towards stronger field as I described. The path of the center of mass of the dipole will not be helical...it will be pulled directly toward the regions of stronger field. This will not generally be along the flux lines
 
hutchphd said:
The dipoles, if they have angular momentum as well (this is NMR ?), will precess about the flux lines at a rate proportional to the local field strength. In addition they will be attracted towards stronger field as I described. The path of the center of mass of the dipole will not be helical...it will be pulled directly toward the regions of stronger field. This will not generally be along the flux lines

Oh now I get it. It's just a magnet attracting/repelling another magnet. Now let me check if I have this right. The orientation of the free magnet will be a complicated function that depends on the flux lines of the field combined with precession of the poles.
 
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If you have a magnetic dipole the force is given by the potential
$$V=-\vec{m} \cdot \vec{B} \; \Rightarrow \; \vec{F}=\vec{\nabla} (\vec{m} \cdot \vec{B}).$$
The torque is
$$\vec{\tau}=\vec{m} \times \vec{B}.$$
 
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