Delay Distortion: Velocity of Propagation Varies with Freq.

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The discussion revolves around the concept of delay distortion in data communications, specifically how the velocity of signal propagation through guided media varies with frequency. Participants explore the implications of this phenomenon for multiplexed signals and seek information on the frequency-dependent propagation characteristics of various cable types.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a source stating that delay distortion occurs due to frequency-dependent velocity of propagation, suggesting that signal velocities may vary across a bandlimited signal.
  • Another participant questions the specific medium referenced by the source and notes that dispersion is a general effect observed in many data communication cables, particularly in lower-quality cables.
  • A request is made for online resources that provide information on propagation velocity versus frequency for different types of cables, including coaxial, twisted pair, and optical fiber.
  • A participant shares a link to Belden's website, which offers nominal velocity of propagation for various cables but lacks detailed information on frequency variation.
  • One participant expresses gratitude for the shared resource but notes the absence of detailed frequency-dependent velocity information and requests further contributions if such information is found.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the specifics of the propagation velocity variation with frequency, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the availability of detailed information on this topic.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding the specific types of media referenced and the lack of detailed empirical data on how propagation velocity varies with frequency for different cable types.

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I read (in W. Stallings "Data & Computer Communications") that
delay distortion occurs because the velocity of propagation of a signal through a guided medium varies with frequency. For a bandlimited signal, the velocity tends to be highest near the center frequency and fall off toward the two edges of the band.
Does that second sentence make sense? That seems to imply that if, for example, several signals of, say, 6 MHz bandwidth each are multiplexed in a cable, so maybe one signal is in a 1-7 MHz range, and another is at 10-16 MHz, and another at 19-25 MHz, that the portions of the signals at 4 MHz and 13 MHz and 22 MHz would be propagating faster than the frequencies in between these levels. (I have no idea whether or not these specific numbers are realistic; I'm just using them as an arbitrary example.) Why would the signal velocities vary up-down-up-down-up-down... as frequency increases?
 
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I don't know what medium Stallings is referring to. For many data communications cables, you can look up the propagation velocity versus frequency. The general effect is called "dispersion", and is worse in cheaper grade cables.
 
Is there anyplace online where I can find this info for some "representative" coax cable, twisted pair and optical fiber media.
 
Thanks berkeman. The Belden website gives "nominal velocity of propagation" for many of their electrical cables, but I didn't find any more detailed info -- nothing that shows how the velocity might vary by frequency. I'll just have to keep looking. Please post if you come across any info of that nature.
 

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