Density matrix for QFT from the path integral?

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The discussion centers on the derivation of the density matrix formalism for quantum fields using the path integral approach, particularly in the context of finite temperature field theory. Participants explore the incorporation of both temperature and time dependence in the density matrix, as well as the relationship between the density matrix formalism and quantum Boltzmann equations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to derive the density matrix formalism for quantum fields from the path integral, specifically in relation to incorporating temperature and time dependence in the particle distribution.
  • Another participant suggests looking into Thermo Field Dynamics (TFD) and references several papers that may provide insights into the incorporation of both temperature and time in the density matrix formalism.
  • A participant mentions that the path integral formulation can yield the partition function for various systems and notes the correspondence between particles and closed loops in imaginary time and inverse temperature.
  • Another participant discusses their interest in time correlation functions within these systems and references a paper that connects quantum Boltzmann kinetic equations to the path integral approach.
  • There is a mention of the density matrix formalism potentially yielding Boltzmann equations as a special case, indicating a relationship that may warrant further investigation.

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Participants express various viewpoints on the relationship between the density matrix formalism and the path integral approach, with some suggesting that the two formalisms are identical. However, there is no clear consensus on the specifics of how to incorporate both temperature and time dependence, and the discussion remains unresolved.

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Participants reference specific papers and concepts, but there are limitations regarding the depth of understanding and the completeness of the arguments presented. Some assumptions about the applicability of certain formalisms are not fully explored.

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(1) How does one obtain the density matrix formalism for quantum fields from the path integral?

(2) Suppose I have a box containing interacting particles of different kinds. Is it possible to incorporate into the density matrix formalism both a non-zero temperature T as well as a time t dependence on the distribution f(T,t,p) of the various particles? (I've seen treatments on finite temperature field theory, where imaginary time is identified with inverse temperature, but I'm wondering how we can include both T and t.)

Thanks for any input.
 
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wandering.the.cosmos[QUOTE said:
](1) How does one obtain the density matrix formalism for quantum fields from the path integral?

(2) Suppose I have a box containing interacting particles of different kinds. Is it possible to incorporate into the density matrix formalism both a non-zero temperature T as well as a time t dependence on the distribution f(T,t,p) of the various particles? (I've seen treatments on finite temperature field theory, where imaginary time is identified with inverse temperature, but I'm wondering how we can include both T and t.)

If you are talking in the contex of Thermo Field Dynamics (TFD), then you should look at (Matsumoto et al.);

Phys Rev (1983),D28,1931.
Phys. Lett (1984),140B,53.
Phys Rev (1984),D29,2838.
Phys Rev (1984),D29,1116.
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You will find the answer to your 2nd question in anyone of the above references, which is Yes you can, but it turned out that the two formalsims are identical.

As for your 1st question, I suppose, you could always use the relation

[tex]<T{\phi(x_{1})...\phi(x_{n})}> = Tr[T{\phi(x_{1})...}\rho][/tex]



regards

sam
 
wandering.the.cosmos, I would very much like to know how long you have had this idea for? I may be workin on a very similar thing. There has not been to much work on these things
 
Epicurus said:
wandering.the.cosmos, I would very much like to know how long you have had this idea for? I may be workin on a very similar thing. There has not been to much work on these things

I've had in my mind questions about such issues for perhaps 1-2 years, but have never really sat down to seriously work things out or see what has been done. One particular paper that I came across regarding these is

E. Calzetta and B.L. Hu
Nonequilibrium quantum fields: Closed-time-path effective action, Wigner function, and Boltzmann equation
Phys. Rev. D 37, 2878–2900 (1988)

But I am rather far from understanding it properly. They seemed to have obtained quantum Boltzmann kinetic equations from the path integral, including the BBGKY hierachy. My understanding is that the density matrix formalism ought to yield Boltzmann equations as a special case, so perhaps the above is what one needs to investigate such issues.

What have you been working on, Epicurus?
 
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The path integral formulation of the thermal density matrix is able to give us the partition function for Boltzmann, Bosonic and fermionic systems. In this representation, particles are given as closed loops through a correspodance with imaginary time and inverse temperature. I have interested in time correlation functions in these systems.
 

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