Dependence of an electric field on distance

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The discussion revolves around the behavior of electric fields generated by charged objects, specifically comparing the field produced by a point charge to that of an electric dipole. The original poster is exploring how the electric field changes as a proton moves away from these charges.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the equation for the electric field of a point charge to a scenario involving an electric dipole, leading to confusion about the correct application of the formula.
  • Participants question the relevance of the original equation used by the poster and whether it applies to the situation involving a dipole.
  • There is discussion about the factors that influence the electric field, including the distance from the source charge and the nature of the source charge itself.
  • Some participants suggest that the original poster may have misunderstood the problem setup.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on the nature of electric fields and the importance of understanding the differences between point charges and dipoles. There is a recognition of the need for the original poster to clarify their understanding of the relevant equations.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the equation initially used by the original poster is specific to point charges and may not be applicable to the scenario involving an electric dipole. There is an emphasis on the need to consider the correct mathematical representation for the electric field of a dipole.

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Homework Statement


A proton located several proton diameters away from a small charged object carrying charge q is subject to an electric field of magnitude E. As the proton moves a distance d along the x-axis away from the object, the electric field magnitude drops to E/4.

If the charged object had instead been an electric dipole (with a charge of magnitude q on each end) oriented in the z direction, by what factor would the initial electric field magnitude E have changed as the proton receded by distance d along the x axis?

The electric field magnitude will be increased to 2 times the original field magnitude .
The electric field magnitude will be decreased to 1/8 of the original field magnitude .
The electric field magnitude will be increased to 8 times the original field magnitude.
The electric field magnitude will be decreased to 1/2 of the original field magnitude.
The electric field magnitude will be decreased to 1/4 of the original field magnitude .
The electric field magnitude will be increased to 4 times the original field magnitude .

Homework Equations


E = kq / r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


E / 4 = 2 kq / d^2

So, after setting up this equation I thought that the electric field magnitude will be increased to 2 times the original magnitude. This answer was incorrect. What am I doing wrong..?
 
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Take a look at your equation for the electric field. Does it depend on the probe charge that you put on the space?
 
JulioHC said:
Take a look at your equation for the electric field. Does it depend on the probe charge that you put on the space?

it depends on other variables as well, right?
 
downbra said:
it depends on other variables as well, right?
It depends on the distance from the source charge and in the charge of the source. So, does the change in the electric field depends on the probe charge?
 
JulioHC said:
It depends on the distance from the source charge and in the charge of the source. So, does the change in the electric field depends on the probe charge?

it depends on the distance from the source as well
 
downbra said:

Homework Equations


E = kq / r^2

The Attempt at a Solution


E / 4 = 2 kq / d^2
How did you come up with this equation? You should think about what the relevant equation you listed is for. Does it apply here?
 
Remember that an electric dipole is a positive charge on one side and a negative charge on the other side.
 
JulioHC said:
Take a look at your equation for the electric field. Does it depend on the probe charge that you put on the space?
You've misunderstood the problem.
 
vela said:
You've misunderstood the problem.
You are right. I'm very sorry if I have caused any confusion.
 
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vela said:
How did you come up with this equation? You should think about what the relevant equation you listed is for. Does it apply here?
the equation I listed is for electric fields. My thought was since their are 2 charges I should add a 2 in front of the q. I guess their is some new equation I wasn't taught...?
 
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That equation is for the electric field of a point charge, so it doesn't apply for a dipole, which is what you have here.
 
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vela said:
That equation is for the electric field of a point charge, so it doesn't apply for a dipole, which is what you have here.
after some digging, is this the right equation? E=kqa / z^3
 
  • #13
You tell us. Remember you're going to need to decide on these things on your own on the exam!
 

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