Depth of a Pit Based on Time Delay of Sound from Falling Rock

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The discussion focuses on deriving the depth of a pit based on the time delay of sound from a falling rock. The formula established is H = \frac{(\sqrt{V^{2}+2gVT}-V)^{2}}{2g}, where H represents the depth, V is the speed of sound, g is the acceleration due to gravity, and T is the total time taken for the rock to fall and the sound to travel back. The participants confirm that the algebraic manipulation leading to this formula is correct, and suggest methods for verifying the solution through expansion and working backwards from the established formula.

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Homework Statement



A rock is dropped down a deep pit. The sound of its impact with the floor is heard after T seconds.
The speed of sound is a given, V.

Prove that the depth of the pit is:
[tex]H=\frac{(\sqrt{V^{2}+2gVT}-V)^{2}}{2g}[/tex]


Homework Equations


Kinematic equations.


The Attempt at a Solution


T is the time it takes for two motions to transpire. The first is the stone falling, [tex]t_1[/tex]. The second, is the sound traveling back up, [tex]t_2[/tex].

[tex]T=t_1+t_2[/tex]

For the falling rock:
[tex]y(t)=H-\frac{g}{2}t^{2}[/tex]
[tex]y(t_1)=0[/tex]
[tex]\frac{g}{2}t_1^{2}=H[/tex]
[tex]t_1=\sqrt{\frac{2H}{g}}[/tex]

For the wave of sound:
[tex]y(t)=Vt[/tex]
[tex]y(t_2)=H[/tex]
[tex]Vt_2=H[/tex]
[tex]t_2=\frac{H}{V}[/tex]

[tex]T=\sqrt{\frac{2H}{g}}+\frac{H}{V}[/tex]

Now all that remains, so it would seem, is to extract H, since we have one equation with just one variable, since T,V and g are all given.

[tex]T-\frac{H}{V}=\sqrt{\frac{2H}{g}}[/tex]
[tex]T^{2}-\frac{2TH}{V}+\frac{H^{2}}{V^{2}}=\frac{2H}{g}[/tex]
[tex]\frac{T^{2}V^{2}g}{V^{2}g}-\frac{2TVgH}{V^{2}g}+\frac{gH^{2}}{gV^{2}}=\frac{2V^{2}H}{gV^{2}}[/tex]

[tex]T^{2}V^{2}g-2TVgH+gH^{2}=2V^{2}H[/tex]

[tex]gH^{2}-(2TVg+2V^{2})H+T^{2}V^{2}g=0[/tex]
[tex]H=\frac{2TVg+2V^{2}+\sqrt{(2TVg+2V^{2})^{2}-4T^{2}V^{2}g^{2}}}{2g}[/tex]

And from here, the algebraic manipulation eludes me. Have I made a mistake somewhere along the way? I was thinking about completing the square or some other nonsense, but the coefficient of 2 before [tex]V^{2}[/tex] looks like it's going to be a problem.
 
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If you set a pseudo-variable

x = H1/2

You can say that you have a quadratic in x ...

1/V*x2 + √(2/g) * x - T = 0

Then square the resulting solution.

I haven't done it, but I'd say a cursory inspection suggests a similar result to where you are.
 
No you haven't made a mistake, and you've got just a few small algebraic steps left. Try expanding the [itex](2TVg + 2V^2)^2[/itex] under the square root.

If you're still stuck, try working backwards: starting from the solution you're supposed to end up with, expand [itex](\sqrt{V^2 + 2gVT} - V)^2[/itex] and see if you can convince yourself that it's the same as what you got.
 

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