Derivation: force on magnetic moment in magnetic field

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The discussion revolves around deriving the equation for the torque on a magnetic moment in a magnetic field, specifically the relationship ##\vec{\Gamma} = \vec{m} \times \vec{B}##, where ##\vec{m} = I \vec{A}## represents the magnetic moment. Participants are exploring the derivation from the Lorentz force law and its implications for a closed current loop.

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the torque equation using vector identities and the Lorentz force law. There are discussions about the complexity of the derivation and references to textbooks that provide different approaches. Some participants express uncertainty about completing the proof and question the assumptions involved in the derivation.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing various approaches and referencing relevant literature. Some have offered insights into vector identities that may aid in the derivation, while others are still grappling with the complexities involved. There is no explicit consensus on the best method to proceed.

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Participants mention the use of specific textbooks and vector identities, indicating a reliance on established methods in electromagnetic theory. There is an acknowledgment of the potential non-trivial nature of the derivation, suggesting that assumptions about the magnetic field and geometry of the current loop may be under scrutiny.

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I am trying to derive the equation ##\vec{\Gamma} = \vec{m} \times \vec{B}##, where ##\vec{m} = I \vec{A}## is the magnetic moment, and ##\vec{A}## is normal to surface ##A##, from the Lorentz force law ##\mathrm{d}\vec{F} = I \vec{dl} \times \vec{B}##. For an arbitrary closed current loop ##C## enclosing the area ##A##, I have tried

$$ \vec{\Gamma} = \oint_C{\mathrm{d}\vec{\Gamma}} = \oint_C{\vec{r} \times \mathrm{d}\vec{F}} = \oint_C{\vec{r} \times I (\vec{dl} \times \vec{B})} = I \oint_C{\vec{r} \times (\vec{dl} \times \vec{B})}.$$

Now I know that ##\vec{A} = \frac{1}{2} \oint{\vec{r} \times \mathrm{d}\vec{l}}##, but I don't know how to complete the proof. I have also tried to consider a square loop giving rise to the magnetic moment ##\vec{m}## to derive the equation, but this looks even more complicated.
 
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It looks like it should be a simple result from vector identities, but I think this one might be non-trivial. The vector triple product is non-associative, so ## B ## doesn't simply factor out. An old E&M textbook that I have, Intermediate Electromagnetic Theory by Schwarz, does their torque derivation by assuming that the magnetic field points in the x-direction, and then writes out the torque integrals for each torque component in terms of x, y, and z. ## \\ ## @vanhees71 Might you have a simple trick for this one?
 
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It looks like it should be a simple result from vector identities, but I think this one might be non-trivial. The vector triple product is non-associative, so ## B ## doesn't simply factor out. An old E&M textbook that I have, Intermediate Electromagnetic Theory by Schwarz, does their torque derivation by assuming that the magnetic field points in the x-direction, and then writes out the torque integrals for each torque component in terms of x, y, and z. ## \\ ## @vanhees71 Might you have a simple trick for this one?

Right, I agree completely. I forgot about my undergraduate electrodynamics book, we used Griffiths hehe. In Griffiths, the derivation is done for a rectangular loop which is sloped with respect to the magnetic field. However, problem 2 from the chapter 'Magnetic Fields in Matter' covers this question exactly I see now, and gives the complete derivation based solely on vector calculus. I will write it out here for those interested.
 
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So here it goes. First, some required vector identities:

The Jabobi identity:
$$\vec{r} \times (d\vec{l} \times \vec{B}) + d\vec{l} \times (\vec{B} \times \vec{r}) + \vec{B} \times (\vec{r} \times d\vec{l}) = \vec{0},$$

and the differential:

$$d[\vec{r} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B})] = d\vec{r} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B}) + \vec{r} \times (d\vec{r} \times B),$$
since ##\vec{B}## is constant. Since ##d\vec{r} = d\vec{l}##, this may be written as

$$d[\vec{r} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B})] = d\vec{l} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B}) + \vec{r} \times (d\vec{l} \times B).$$

Combining the Jacobian identity with the differential we have

\begin{align}
\vec{r} \times (d\vec{l} \times \vec{B}) &= d[\vec{r} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B})] - d\vec{l} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B}) \\ &= d[\vec{r} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B})] + d\vec{l} \times (\vec{B} \times \vec{r}) \\ &= d[\vec{r} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B})] - \vec{r} \times (d\vec{l} \times \vec{B}) - \vec{B} \times (\vec{r} \times d\vec{l}),
\end{align}
and therefore

$$2\vec{r} \times (d\vec{l} \times \vec{B)} = d[\vec{r} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B})] - \vec{B} \times (\vec{r} \times d\vec{l}).$$

This gives

\begin{align}
\vec{\Gamma} &= \oint{d\vec{\Gamma}} \\ &= \oint{\vec{r} \times d \vec{F}} \\ &= I \oint{\vec{r} \times (d\vec{l} \times \vec{B})} \\ &= \frac{I}{2} \oint{d[\vec{r} \times (\vec{r} \times \vec{B})]} - \frac{I}{2} \oint{\vec{B} \times (\vec{r} \times d\vec{l})} \\ &= \vec{0} -I \vec{B} \times \frac{1}{2} \oint{\vec{r} \times d\vec{l}} \\ &= -I \vec{B} \times \vec{A} \\ &= I \vec{A} \times \vec{B} \\ &= \vec{m} \times \vec{B}.
\end{align}
 
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