Derivation of equation for mass on pulley and displacement

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of an equation related to a mass on a pulley system, specifically focusing on the relationship between mass, tension, and displacement. The original poster describes a system in equilibrium involving two masses and a center mass, with an equation provided for vertical displacement.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • The original poster attempts to derive an equation based on the forces acting on the system but expresses difficulty in progressing beyond the initial equations. Some participants question the lack of tension expressions and seek clarification on how to relate the tensions to the variables involved.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of the problem, including the relationships between tensions and the variables of the system. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance is being sought regarding the expressions for tension.

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Participants note the absence of tension diagrams and seek additional information to clarify the relationships within the system. The original poster's reference to the teacher's suggestion implies some constraints on the approach being taken.

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Derivation of equation for mass on pulley and displacement


Sorry that the picture stinks, but its all I got. The system is in equilibrium.The counter mass on the left is mass A and the mass on the right is mass B, both of mass m. The center mass of mass M is denoted as B. The length of the system is denoted as L. h stands for the vertical displacement of the center mass. The equation is..

h= ML / sqrt(16m^2 - 4M^2)

I wrote the equations for the sum of the forces and my teacher told me I could derive it from those but I can't get any further than what I have.
Forces in x direction = T(sub c)cos(theta) - T(sub a)cos(theta) =0 and
Forces in y direction = T(sub c)sin(theta) + T(sub a)sin(theta) - T(sub b) = 0
 
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You don't have the tensions T described in the drawing.

Also -- can you give us expressions for the tensions in terms of m, M, L, h?
 
http://filesaur.us/files/1912/pulley/
T1 = T2 = T3 = T4 = mg
T5=Mg

I don't know how to bring L or h into this.
 
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In what relation is T5 with T2 and T3?
 

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