Derivation of formula of normal acceleration

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The discussion revolves around deriving the formula for normal acceleration in the context of a particle's motion described by parametric equations for x(t) and y(t). The problem involves understanding the relationship between velocity, tangential acceleration, and normal acceleration, particularly in a scenario where the particle follows a spiral path.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the derivation of normal acceleration using expressions for velocity and tangential acceleration. There are attempts to clarify the meaning of terms and the setup of the problem, including the interpretation of the radial direction in the context of an arithmetic spiral.

Discussion Status

Participants are actively engaging with the problem, questioning assumptions about the radial direction and the nature of the normal acceleration. Some have suggested methods for deriving components of acceleration, while others are seeking clarification on specific terms and calculations. There is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in finding a normal vector relative to the velocity vector.

Contextual Notes

There are discussions about the correctness of expressions derived and the potential for misunderstanding in the setup of the problem. Participants are also addressing the implications of the spiral path on the calculations of acceleration components.

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Homework Statement


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Consider a particle that is described by $$x(t)=(2.0-0.1t) \cos(0.5t)$$ and $$y(t)=(2.0-0.1t) \sin(0.5t)$$ t in seconds and x,y in meters.

In previous subquestions we were asked to determine an expression for the module of the velocity vector and the tangent acceleration. The expressions obtained are:

$$v=\sqrt{k^2 + w^2(r_0-kt)^2}$$

$$a_t=-\frac{kw^2(r_0-kt)}{\sqrt{k^2+w^2(r_0-kt)^2}}$$

with $$k=0.1$$ and $w=0.5$ and $$r_0=2.0$$.Now my question is in the next question, to find an expression with the normal acceleration.

The Attempt at a Solution



My attempt was to take

$$a_c = \frac{v^2}{R}$$

$$R = \sqrt{x^2+y^2}= 2.0-0.1t=r_0 - kt$$

$$a_c=\frac{k^2}{r_0-kt} + w^2$$

The answer given by my textbook is however:

$$a_c= 4k^2w^2 + w^4(r_0-kt)^2-\frac{k^2w^4(r_0-kt)^2}{{k^2+w^2(r_0-kt)^2}}$$

I don't understand how this formula was derived. It seems like the third term of the sum is $$-a_t^2$$ but I can't understand the other two terms and what variables ares involved. And also I want to know why my answer is wrong or if it is equivalent to the one given, I can't understand that. Thanks!
 
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Can you clarify what the comma in the argument of the trig functions means?
 
kuruman said:
Can you clarify what the comma in the argument of the trig functions means?
Yes it should be a dot (0.5 the number) sorry
 
Granger said:
Yes it should be a dot (0.5 the number) sorry
That's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure. Here is what I would do. I would find an expression for the x and y components of the acceleration by taking the double derivative. Then, I would find the radial component of the acceleration by taking the dot product with a unit vector in the radial direction (negative radial unit vector for centripetal). Note that $$\hat{r}=\frac{x \hat{x}+y \hat{y}}{r}.$$
 
kuruman said:
That's what I thought, but I wanted to make sure. Here is what I would do. I would find an expression for the x and y components of the acceleration by taking the double derivative. Then, I would find the radial component of the acceleration by taking the dot product with a unit vector in the radial direction (negative radial unit vector for centripetal). Note that $$\hat{r}=\frac{x \hat{x}+y \hat{y}}{r}.$$

I tried what you said and obtained:
$$\hat{r}=(\cos(wt), \sin (wt))$$

$$\vec{a}= (2kw \sin(wt) - w^2(r_0-kt)\cos(wt), -2kw \cos(wt) - w^2(r_0-kt)\sin(wt))$$

However taking the dot product I obtain $$-w^2(r_0-kt)$$.

I think I might be calculating the radial versor you mentioned wrong (I took both components and divided by $$(r_o-kt)$$
 
kuruman said:
find the radial component of the acceleration by taking the dot product with a unit vector in the radial direction
But what is the "radial" direction here? This is an arithmetic spiral. The instantaneous centre of curvature will not be the origin.
The "normal" acceleration means normal to the velocity. How do you find the component of a vector normal to a given vector?
 
Oh! So if the vector I want I call it $$(r_x, r_y)$$ then I take the fact that the dot product of this vector and the velocity vector is 0, right?
But what other condition can I take to have a system that I can solve (because it's not easy to find a normal vector just looking at the velocity vector (or is it?)
 
Granger said:
Oh! So if the vector I want I call it $$(r_x, r_y)$$ then I take the fact that the dot product of this vector and the velocity vector is 0, right?
But what other condition can I take to have a system that I can solve (because it's not easy to find a normal vector just looking at the velocity vector (or is it?)
Try deducing the normal acceleration from the tangential acceleration and the total acceleration.

Edit: the book answer is the expression for ac2
There is a somewhat neater way of writing it.
 
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