Derivation of the acceleration in the Eddington-Finkelstein Metric

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The discussion revolves around deriving an expression for acceleration in the context of the Eddington-Finkelstein metric, specifically focusing on the equation related to the acceleration components in a curved spacetime. The original poster references an article discussing survival time below the Schwarzschild event horizon and expresses difficulty in following the algebraic derivation presented in the article.

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  • Participants explore various algebraic manipulations to derive the acceleration components, questioning the complexity of the algebra involved. Some suggest working in an orthogonal frame and express the need to clarify the relationships between the components of acceleration and the metric terms.

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There is an ongoing exchange of ideas, with participants sharing their approaches and commenting on the algebraic challenges faced. Some guidance has been offered regarding the manipulation of equations, but there is no explicit consensus on the best method to reach the desired expressions.

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Participants note the complexity of the algebra involved and the potential for multiple interpretations of the equations. There is also mention of specific equations from the referenced article that are being compared and analyzed.

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Homework Statement
Derivation of the acceleration in the Eddington-Finkelstein Metric
Relevant Equations
##a^r = \frac{a u^r e}{\sqrt{e^2 + g_{tt}}}##
Hi,

I'm trying to derive the equation (14) ##a^r = \frac{a u^r e}{\sqrt{e^2 + g_{tt}}}## from this article No Way Back: Maximizing survival time below the Schwarzschild event horizon and my algebra is really messy, so I'm wondering if I made some mistakes.

The authors say: "With the above definition of the conserved quantity related to the Killing vector, as well as the 4-velocityand 4-acceleration normalization and orthogonality, a little algebra reveals that for an acceleration of magnitude a"

My equations are:
\begin{equation}
e = g_{tt} u^t + g_{tr} u^r
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
g_{tt} (u^t)^2 + 2g_{tr}u^t u^r + g_{rr} (u^r)^2 = -1
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
g_{tt} a^t u^t + g_{tr}a^t u^r + g_{rt} a^r u^t + g_{rr} a^r u^r = 0
\end{equation}

\begin{equation}
g_{tt} (a^t)^2 + 2g_{tr} a^t a^r + g_{rr} (a^r)^2 = a^2
\end{equation}

Then, using equation (3) and (1) I isolated ##a^t##:
\begin{equation}
a^t = \frac{-g_{rt} a^r u^t - g_{rr}a^r u^r}{e}
\end{equation}

Afterwards, I plugged (5) in (4). However the thing is starting to get pretty messy and I can't get the same expression as the author and I'm wondering if this is the right way to do it.
 
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You can work in the orthogonal frame ##(L, M)## introduced in Section 3.3, with ##L## being a time-like unit vector and ##M## being a space-like unit vector. At ##\tau = 0##, these have been set to be ##L^{\mu}(0) = u^{\mu}## and ##M^{\mu}(0) = a^{\mu}/a##. [WLOG, you can take ##\tau = 0## at any instant along the worldline...]

In the 2d ##t##-##r## subspace, you can express the space-like unit vector as ##M \propto \xi + \lambda u##, with ##\lambda## being a constant. To fix ##\lambda##, contract $$u \cdot M \propto u \cdot \xi + \lambda u \cdot u = e - \lambda$$At ##\tau = 0##, then ##u \cdot M \big{|}_{\tau = 0} = L \cdot M \big{|}_{\tau = 0} = 0##, therefore ##\lambda = e##. So: $$M \propto \xi + e u$$To enforce that ##M## is a unit vector, you must set:$$M = \frac{\xi + eu}{\sqrt{\xi \cdot \xi + 2 e \xi \cdot u + e^2 u \cdot u}} =\frac{\xi + eu}{\sqrt{\xi \cdot \xi + e^2}}$$Now you are almost done -- can you finish off by finding an expression for ##a^{\mu} = a M^{\mu}##? Then, you can just read off ##a^{t}## and ##a^{r}##.
 
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@ergospherical 's method is really clever. I certainly wouldn't have thought of it.

happyparticle said:
$$a^t = \frac{-g_{rt} a^r u^t - g_{rr}a^r u^r}{e}$$

I think this is correct. You can get from this to equation (15) in the paper in a few steps. Equation (15) reads $$a^t = [1+u^t e]\frac{a^r}{eu^r}.$$ Your equation can be written as $$a^t =\left[-g_{rt} u^ru^t - g_{rr} (u^r)^2\right]\frac{a^r}{ e u^r}.$$ See if you can get the expressions in the brackets in these two equations to agree by using your equation (2).
 
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@TSny So I guess the "little algebra" is not that little to get the equation (14).

@ergospherical I'm not sure to fully understand. I was trying to get the expression algebraically as the author did.
 
Sorry — you can ignore post #2 if it’s not helpful (it’s just another way to get the same result).

Your work is already on a good track — see @TSny’s comments.
 
happyparticle said:
@TSny So I guess the "little algebra" is not that little to get the equation (14).
Yes. My approach was similar to yours and it took me about a page of writing to get (15) and another page to get (14).
 
happyparticle said:
@TSny How did you start to get (15)?
I believe I did the same as you. Combine your equations (1) and (3) to get (5), as in your first post. Then get (14) (15) as outlined in post #3.
 
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I think (14) is ##a^r##. From your post #3 I found ##a^t##.
 
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happyparticle said:
I think (14) is ##a^r##. From your post #3 I found ##a^t##.
I meant to type (15) in post #8 instead of (14). Thanks for catching this.
 
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Thank you so much!
 
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ergospherical said:
...by finding an expression for ##a^{\mu} = a M^{\mu}##?
Now that you solved it -- it is worth to note that:
$$a^{\mu} = \frac{a}{\sqrt{\xi \cdot \xi + e^2}} (\xi^{\mu} + eu^{\mu})$$
In this expression, ##\xi \cdot \xi = g_{\mu \nu} \xi^{\mu} \xi^{\nu} = g_{tt} \xi^t \xi^t = g_{tt}##
You may then read off:

## a^{t} = \frac{a(1 + eu^{t})}{\sqrt{g_{tt} + e^2}} ##

## a^{r} = \frac{aeu^{r}}{\sqrt{g_{tt}+ e^2}}##
 

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