Derivation of the thermodynamic potentials using Legendre transformations

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The discussion centers on the derivation of thermodynamic potentials using Legendre transformations, specifically focusing on the Helmholtz free energy (F), enthalpy (H), and Gibbs free energy (G). The user outlines the foundational equation dU = TdS - pdV and demonstrates how to derive these potentials through systematic transformations. The key transformations involve expressing U + pV as H, U - TS as F, and G as U + pV - TS, with their respective natural variables. The user questions the necessity of Legendre transformations in this context, prompting further exploration of their rigorous application in thermodynamics.

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  • Understanding of basic thermodynamic concepts, including internal energy (U), entropy (S), and pressure (p).
  • Familiarity with Legendre transformations and their mathematical implications.
  • Knowledge of thermodynamic potentials: Helmholtz free energy (F), enthalpy (H), and Gibbs free energy (G).
  • Experience with differential forms and product rules in calculus.
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Hello guys, I'm studying Thermodynamics and I don't totally see how you introduce the potencials using Legendre transformations.

I have seen a non formal explanation showing how you can interpret them, but not a rigorous demonstration of how you get them via the Legendre transformations.

Do you know any site or book that covers it?

Also all the other issues, like the Maxwell transformations and the Euler equations and relations.

Ty.
 
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I expect I'm not giving you a full picture of what a Legendre transformation is, but here's a systematic way to generate potentials, H, F and G...

Start with dU = TdS- pdV.

From the product rule: dU = TdS- {d(pV) - Vdp}

We can write this as: d{U + pV} = TdS + Vdp

U + pV is usually designated as H. It is the enthalpy potential. Its 'natural variables' are S and P.

We can product-transform TdS instead of pdV, and obtain the Helmholtz function U - TS, with natural variables T and V.

Finally we can transform both TdS and pdV,obtaining the Gibbs function G = U + pVTS, with natural variables p and T.
 
Ok, I see it, is an add and subtract trick, but I don't see where there it's used the Legendre transformation, it's not needed at all?
 
I'd be surprised to be told that I wasn't actually doing Legendre transformations in my earlier post, but let wiser heads decide.
 

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