Derivative of a function with variable also in the integrand

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around finding the derivative of a function defined by an integral with a variable present in both the limits and the integrand. Participants explore various substitution methods and the application of the Leibniz rule for differentiation under the integral sign.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the function F(y) as an integral involving the expression e^{-x^{2}y^{2}} and expresses confusion about the necessary substitutions.
  • Another participant suggests that the integral may not have a straightforward solution due to its non-normalized Gaussian nature, referencing a related integral that simplifies under certain conditions.
  • A different participant questions the clarity of the original post and implies that the term e^{y^2} can be factored out, leading to a product derivative scenario.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the substitutions, with one participant indicating that only one substitution is necessary, specifically relating x^2y^2 to u^2, and noting the positivity of the variables involved.
  • One participant introduces the general Leibniz formula for differentiation under the integral sign, which may be relevant to the discussion but does not provide a direct solution to the problem at hand.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the complexity of the integral and the necessary substitutions. There is no consensus on the best approach to take or the clarity of the original problem.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the positivity of variables are made, and there are unresolved steps regarding the substitutions and their implications for the integral's evaluation.

GridironCPJ
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F(y)=Integral(e^{-x^{2}y^{2}}dx between y and 0 (where y>0). I know you have to make substitutions with y, but then you have to make a further substitution along the way and that's where I'm a little lost. Can anyone help point me in the right direction? I know you can set u=-y^{2} and v=y in the integrand, but, as you'll see, you get stuck and you need to make another substitution somewhere.

(The stupid symbol commands won't work for me, so sorry if it's hard to read the function)
 
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GridironCPJ said:
F(y)=Integral(e^{-x^{2}y^{2}}dx between y and 0 (where y>0). I know you have to make substitutions with y, but then you have to make a further substitution along the way and that's where I'm a little lost. Can anyone help point me in the right direction? I know you can set u=-y^{2} and v=y in the integrand, but, as you'll see, you get stuck and you need to make another substitution somewhere.

(The stupid symbol commands won't work for me, so sorry if it's hard to read the function)



Did you mean [itex]\displaystyle{\int_0^y e^{-x^2y^2}dx}[/itex] ? I don't think there's an easy way to do this as it is non nomalized Gauss's bell function.

If, for example, you'd have [tex]\int_0^\infty e^{-x^2y^2}dx=\frac{1}{y}\int_0^\infty e^{-u^2}du=\frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{2u}[/tex]

DonAntonio
 
Your discussion is very unclear. Based on the title it seems that you can take ey2 outside the integral, so you then need to get the derivative of a product.
 
DonAntonio said:
Did you mean [itex]\displaystyle{\int_0^y e^{-x^2y^2}dx}[/itex] ? I don't think there's an easy way to do this as it is non nomalized Gauss's bell function.

If, for example, you'd have [tex]\int_0^\infty e^{-x^2y^2}dx=\frac{1}{y}\int_0^\infty e^{-u^2}du=\frac{\sqrt{\pi}}{2u}[/tex]

DonAntonio

Yes, this is what I meant. I know you have to make a third substitution at some point, I'm just not sure how.
 
GridironCPJ said:
Yes, this is what I meant. I know you have to make a third substitution at some point, I'm just not sure how.



Not really, only one: [tex]x^2y^2=u^2\Longleftrightarrow x=\frac{u}{y}\Longrightarrow dx=\frac{du}{y}[/tex] and voila. Of course, we're implicitly using the fact that the variable(s) is (are) all positive.

DonAntonio
 
The general Leibniz formula is
[tex]\frac{d}{dx}\int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)}\phi(x, t)dt= \beta'(x)\phi(x, \beta(x))- \alpha'(x)\phi(x, \alpha(x))+ \int_{\alpha(x)}^{\beta(x)}\frac{\partial \phi}{\partial x}dx[/tex]
 

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