Derivative of a Noether current from Dirac Equation

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The discussion centers on deriving the divergence of the Noether current from the Dirac equation under U(1) transformations. The Noether current is expressed as \( J^{\mu} = -\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\psi \). The divergence is calculated as \( \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu} = -(\partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\psi + \bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\partial_{\mu}\psi) \). Participants emphasize the importance of using the original equations of motion from the untransformed Lagrangian, as the transformation does not yield a symmetry unless the mass \( m = 0 \).

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Homework Statement


Hey guys,
Consider the U(1) transformations
\psi'=e^{i\alpha\gamma^{5}}\psi and \bar{\psi}'=\bar{\psi}e^{i\alpha\gamma^{5}} of the Lagrangian \mathcal{L}=\bar{\psi}(i\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}-m)\psi.

I am meant to find the expression for \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu}.

Homework Equations


Gamma matrices anticommute
Noether current is \delta J^{\mu}=\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_{\mu}\psi)}\delta\psi+\delta x \mathcal{L}
not sure of anything else...

The Attempt at a Solution


So here's what I've done so far. Since its a U(1) transformation, the coordinates arent changing, so the Noether current is given by \delta J^{\mu}=\frac{\partial\mathcal{L}}{\partial(\partial_{\mu}\psi)}\delta\psi. I found that \delta\psi=i\alpha\gamma^{5}\psi, so that

\delta J^{\mu}=-\bar{\psi}\alpha\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\psi, then I drop the infinitesimal parameter to get
J^{\mu}=-\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\psi.

So the next step is to calculate the derivative of this. Doing so, I get

\partial_{\mu}J^{\mu}=-(\partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\psi+\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}\gamma^{5}\partial_{\mu}\psi)

And at this point I am stuck...im not sure if this is right and/or if I can simplify this or do something neat with it? because I think I'm meant to be using the transformed Lagrangian
\mathcal{L}'=i\bar{\psi}\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}\psi-m\bar{\psi}e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}}\psi
for something but I don't really know.

Thanks guys..
 
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What equations of motion do you have?
 
I think its just the equations of motion from the untransformed Lagrangian, which are:
(i\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}-m)\psi=0
and
i(\partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi})\gamma^{\mu}+m\bar{\psi}=0
 
So I suggest using those. :)
 
I thought of that but I'm not sure if I can use these because I'm considering the transformed Lagrangian...and the above transformations arent a symmetry unless m = 0. So how can I use these equations of motion?
 
The fields will follow their equations of motion. Had the transformation of the fields been a symmetry of the Lagrangian, the divergence of the current would be zero. Since it is not, you will simply get a non-zero expression if you anyway chose to write down the current that would be conserved if the symmetry breaking parameter was zero.
 
I see...so I guess I am doing it wrong? I mean I've found the equations of motion from the transformed Lagrangian
(i\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}- m e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}})\psi=0
and
i \partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}+m\bar{\psi}e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}}=0

and now I'm trying to use THESE inside my expression for \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu}. I guess you're saying to just use the orignals I posted in post #3?
 
I get a nonzero answer either way but I'm not sure which one is right...:(
 
Dixanadu said:
I see...so I guess I am doing it wrong? I mean I've found the equations of motion from the transformed Lagrangian
(i\partial_{\mu}\gamma^{\mu}- m e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}})\psi=0
and
i \partial_{\mu}\bar{\psi}\gamma^{\mu}+m\bar{\psi}e^{2i\alpha\gamma^{5}}=0

and now I'm trying to use THESE inside my expression for \partial_{\mu}J^{\mu}. I guess you're saying to just use the orignals I posted in post #3?
Yes, this willbe the divergence of the current.
 

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