Derivatives in an Atwood Machine

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of derivatives in the context of an Atwood machine, specifically focusing on the energy equation provided by the original poster. The problem involves understanding the derivative of energy with respect to time and the implications of the terms involved.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to understand why the derivative of energy includes both velocity and acceleration terms. They question whether this is related to the chain rule. Other participants explore the differentiation of functions and provide insights into the rules of derivatives.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring the mathematical principles behind the differentiation of energy. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of the chain rule, but there is no explicit consensus on the original poster's question.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information available for discussion. The original poster references a professor's solution, indicating that there may be specific expectations or interpretations that are not fully clarified in the thread.

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Homework Statement


I have the professor's solutions for a homework we handed in. There is a part that is confusing me. We have the following equation:

$$E = \frac{1}{2}(m_1 + m_2)\dot{x}^2-(m_1-m_2)gx$$


Homework Equations



We want to find: $$dE/dt = 0$$


The Attempt at a Solution



The solution says the correct answer is:

$$dE/dt = 0 = (m_1 + m_2)\dot{x}_1\ddot{x}_1 - g(m_1-m_2)\dot{x}_1$$

Why does it contain [itex]\dot{x}\ddot{x}[/itex] instead of just [itex]\ddot{x}[/itex]?

Is it because of the chain rule?

Thanks!
 
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For any function U(t), what is [itex]\frac{dU^2}{dt}[/itex]?

[itex]\dot{x}[/itex] is a function of t.
 
So then it's just

$$ \frac{dU^2}{dU}\frac{dU}{dt} = 2U\dot{U}$$ ?
 
henryd said:
So then it's just

$$ \frac{dU^2}{dU}\frac{dU}{dt} = 2U\dot{U}$$ ?

That doesn't quite work, because [itex]\dot{U} \equiv \frac{dU}{dt}[/itex]

Try [itex]\frac{dU^n}{dt} = nU^{n-1}\frac{dU}{dt}[/itex]
 

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