Derive Planck Length in terms of c, G, and h_bar

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The discussion focuses on deriving the Planck length in terms of the constants c (speed of light), G (gravitational constant), and h_bar (reduced Planck constant). The escape velocity formula, Vesc = √(2GM/R), is equated to c, leading to the relationship M = c²R/(2G). The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is applied, resulting in the equation ΔX = (Gh_bar)/(c³R). The final goal is to express the Planck length, L, by manipulating the equations derived from both gravitational and quantum mechanics principles.

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Homework Statement



a. The first part of this problem was to derive the escape speed (Vesc) for a star of mass M and radius R.

b. The second part is where I am having trouble. It says to equate the Vesc calculated above and derive a formula for Planck length in terms of c, G, and h_bar.

Homework Equations



This is from the Heisenberg uncertainty section for position and momentum so:

\DeltaX * \DeltaP = h_bar/2

E = mc2

The Attempt at a Solution



The escape velocity I calculated from part a was Vesc = \sqrt{2GM/R}

Equating Vesc to C gives:

C = \sqrt{2GM/R}

Am I supposed to assume that \Deltap = Mc and solve for \Deltax using the Heisenberg uncertainty principle?

I have tried a couple of different methods and I can't get this to simplify down to the form I need. I am pretty sure this is an easy problem, I just am not seeing the trick.
 
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According to Wikipedia the Planck length is defined as sqrt(hG/c^3)
I think it is just a way to get units of meters out of those fundamental constants.
I don't think it has a physical meaning, except in quantum mechanics which doesn't seem to apply to the problem you have.
 
Ok I think I am getting close to this one:

c=\sqrt{\frac{2GM}{R}}

M=\frac{c^2 R}{2G}

Using the Heisenberg Principal:
\DeltaX \DeltaP = \frac{h_bar}{2}

\DeltaP = c M

Solving this for \DeltaX
\DeltaX = \frac{G h_bar}{c^3 R}

How do I get the square root and get rid of the R? :frown:
 
Gravity level
c =under root of (2GM/R)
where R=L (Planck's Length) on gravity level
so c =under root of (2GM/L)

Uncertainty principle
uncertainty in momentum x uncertainty in position = reduced Planck constant/2
mv x L = reduced Planck constant/2
here on quantum level, Uncertainty in position is Planck length and velocity is c (velocity of light)
mcL= reduced h/2
m=reduced h/(2cL)

put the value of m in value of c in gravity level
c square = 2 G reduced h/(2cL*R)
c square = 2 G reduced h/(2cL*L)
where R=L (Planck length on gravity level)
Derive L (Planck length) from above equation.
 

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