Deriving Bending of Light from Maxwell's Equations

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The discussion revolves around the derivation of the bending of light from Maxwell's equations in the context of curved spacetime. Participants explore the relationship between light as a massless particle and its behavior in gravitational fields, considering both theoretical frameworks and mathematical formulations.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the bending of light can be derived directly from Maxwell's equations in curved spacetime, noting that traditional examples treat light as a massless particle on light-like geodesics without reference to the electromagnetic field.
  • Another participant asserts that assuming light behaves as plane waves leads to the conclusion that paths normal to these planes are null geodesics, referencing the geometrical optics framework.
  • A different participant expresses uncertainty about whether a direct derivation has been accomplished, suggesting that typically a ray approximation to solutions of the Einstein-Maxwell equations is shown, which results in null geodesics.
  • One participant raises a question about the bending of light compared to other massless particles, such as gravitons and neutrinos, and whether they would exhibit the same bending behavior, while also inquiring about the equations governing different spin particles.
  • Another participant comments that classical gravitons, as gravitational waves, should also travel along null geodesics, and suggests looking into bimetric theories for other spin-2 particles, referencing external sources for further exploration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a range of views on the derivation of light bending from Maxwell's equations, with no consensus reached on whether a direct derivation exists or on the implications for other massless particles. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the relationships between different types of massless particles and their respective equations of motion, indicating that assumptions about the nature of these particles may affect the conclusions drawn.

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Can the bending of light because of gravity be derived from the Maxwell equations written in curved space time, i.e.,

[tex]\frac{1}{\sqrt{-g}}\partial_\mu(\sqrt{-g}F^{\mu\nu}})=0[/tex]

In all the examples the bending of light is treated as a massless particle traveling on a light-like geodesic (if I understand the examples correctly) with no reference to the electromagnetic field at all.
 
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Yes, it is possible to show that if light is assumed to be plane waves, then paths that are normal to the planes are null geodesics.

The plane wave ansatz is implemented by setting
[tex]F^{\mu\nu}=g^{\rho\mu}g^{\sigma\nu}(A_{\rho,\sigma}-A_{\sigma,\rho})[/tex]
with
[tex]A_\mu=\hat{A}_\mu e^{i\omega S}[/tex]

The rest of the derivation is rather long. See 'geometrical optics'.
 
I don't know if this has been done directly.

I think usually one shows there is a ray approximation to a solution of the Einstein-Maxwell equations, and these are null geodesics, and then lives with that.

http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0108255
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2004-9/
 
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So if you have a massless particle, say a graviton, which is a 2nd-ranked tensor, or a neutrino which is a spinor, then would the bending be exactly the same as for light which is a vector? I would add scalar particles but I'm unaware of any that are massless.

So somehow the mass=0 free solutions of the Dirac, the Maxwell, and spin-2 (is there a name for the spin 2 equation?) equations all have the same solutions?

Also, a quick question on gravitons. It seems to me that the graviton is a very special spin-2 particle. All spin 1/2 particles obey the same equation, the Dirac equation. All spin 0 particles obey the Klein-Gordan equation. But the action for the graviton [tex]g_{\mu\nu}[/tex] is:

[tex]S=\int d^4x\sqrt{-g}R[/tex]

where [tex]R=R(g_{\mu \nu})[/tex] is the scalar curvature which is a function of the graviton field.

For a generic spin 2 field [tex]z_{\mu\nu}[/tex] that is not the graviton, the action is:

[tex]S=\int d^4x \sqrt{-g}R[/tex]

where R has the same form as the scalar curvature, but the [tex]g_{\mu\nu}[/tex]'s are replaced with [tex]z_{\mu\nu}[/tex]'s.

So it seems the EOM for the graviton and other spin 2 particles are different. Is this right?
 
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Well, the classical graviton is a gravitational wave which should travel on null geodesics of the background spacetime.

For other spin 2 particles, I might try searching for bimetric theories http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articles/lrr-2005-5/ . Lubos Motl had interesting comments on whether it was possible to have another massless spin 2 particle http://motls.blogspot.com/2008/07/bimetric-pseudoscience.html (as you probably know, ignore the rhetoric about "pseudoscience", he usually has good physics comments).
 
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