Deriving Maxwell's equations from the Lagrangian

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The discussion revolves around deriving Maxwell's equations from the Lagrangian, specifically focusing on the manipulation of the Lagrangian with respect to the derivatives of the field variables involved. Participants are exploring the steps outlined in David Tong's QFT notes, particularly the partial derivatives of the Lagrangian concerning the field components.

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  • Participants are examining how to correctly take partial derivatives of the Lagrangian with respect to the derivatives of the field variables. There are attempts to apply the chain rule and delta function properties to simplify expressions. Questions arise regarding the correctness of these manipulations and the implications of constants in the equations.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using specific relations and properties of the Lagrangian, while others are questioning the steps taken and the resulting expressions. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and approaches to the problem, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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Participants are working within the constraints of a theoretical framework, referencing specific equations and properties from quantum field theory. The discussion highlights potential confusion regarding the application of mathematical identities and the treatment of constants in the context of derivatives.

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Given ##\mathcal{L} = -\frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)(\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu)+\frac{1}{2}(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}^\mu)^2##, compute ##\frac{\partial{\mathcal{L}}}{\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)}##.
Relevant Equations
Euler-Lagrange equations of motion.
This isn't a homework problem (it's an example from David Tong's QFT notes where I didn't understand the steps he took), but I am confused as to how exactly to take the partial derivative of the Lagrangian with respect to ##\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)##. (Note the answer is: ##-\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu+(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}^\rho)\eta^{\mu \nu}##)
 
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Write ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)(\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu) = (\partial_\lambda
\mathcal{A}_\rho)(\partial_\sigma \mathcal{A}_\tau) \eta^{\sigma \lambda} \eta^{\tau \rho}## and use the relations ##\frac{\partial}{\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)}(\partial_i \mathcal{A}_j) = \delta^i_\mu \delta^j_\nu## to show that the partial of the first term of ##\mathcal{L}## with respect to ##\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu## is ##-\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu##.

Similarly write ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}^\mu)^2 = (\partial_\rho A_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma})^2## and use the chain rule to get that the partial of the second term of ##\mathcal{L}## with respect to ##\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu## equals ##\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}^\rho \cdot \eta^{\mu\nu}##.
 
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Euge said:
Write ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)(\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu) = (\partial_\lambda
\mathcal{A}_\rho)(\partial_\sigma \mathcal{A}_\tau) \eta^{\sigma \lambda} \eta^{\tau \rho}## and use the relations ##\frac{\partial}{\partial(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu)}(\partial_i \mathcal{A}_j) = \delta^i_\mu \delta^j_\nu## to show that the partial of the first term of ##\mathcal{L}## with respect to ##\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu## is ##-\partial^\mu \mathcal{A}^\nu##.

Similarly write ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}^\mu)^2 = (\partial_\rho A_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma})^2## and use the chain rule to get that the partial of the second term of ##\mathcal{L}## with respect to ##\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}_\nu## equals ##\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}^\rho \cdot \eta^{\mu\nu}##.
Thank you so much for your help, I have a question after using the chain rule on the second term. After expanding as you suggested and using the chain rule, I get: =##(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}_\sigma \eta^{\rho \sigma}) \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma} \delta_\mu^\rho \delta_\nu^\sigma## but this means we must substitute ##\rho=\mu## and ##\sigma=\nu## everywhere to satisfy the delta, however this gives ##(\partial_\mu \mathcal{A}^\mu) \cdot \eta^{\mu \nu}## which isn't the same as the answer right? I'm struggling to find where I'm going wrong here.
 
Note that ##\eta^{\mu\nu}## are constants, so they have zero derivatives. The partial derivative of ##(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho\sigma})^2## with respect to ##\partial_\mu\mathcal{A}_\nu## is $$2(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma})\cdot \partial_\mu\mathcal{A}_\nu(\partial_i \mathcal{A}_j \cdot \eta^{i j}) = 2(\partial_\rho \mathcal{A}_\sigma \cdot \eta^{\rho \sigma})\delta_{\mu i} \delta_{\nu j} \eta^{ij}$$ Can you reduce the latter expression further?
 
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