Deriving pressure, density and temperature profile of atmosphere

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The discussion revolves around deriving the pressure, density, and temperature profiles of an adiabatically stratified plane-parallel atmosphere under constant gravitational acceleration. The original poster presents specific parameters, including mean molecular weight and temperature at sea level, and expresses difficulty in progressing due to interdependent variables.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants explore the meaning of "adiabatically stratified" and its implications for the equations governing the atmosphere. There are discussions about the relationships between pressure, volume, and temperature, and how to eliminate variables to derive a usable expression.

Discussion Status

The conversation is active, with participants questioning the definitions and relationships between the thermodynamic variables. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of the ideal gas law and adiabatic conditions to derive expressions, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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There is an indication of confusion regarding the interdependence of temperature, pressure, and volume, and how to proceed with the derivation without introducing unknown constants. The original poster has removed certain equations from consideration, which may affect the discussion's direction.

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Homework Statement


Derive the pressure, density and temperature profiles of an adiabatically stratified plane-parallel atmosphere under constant gravitational acceleration g. Assume that the atmosphere consists of an ideal gas of mean molecular weight \mu.

Given \mu=14u, g = 9.81m/s^2, z = 8500m, T (@sea level) = 300K, calculate temperature and pressure at the summit.

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Edit: removed the ideal gas law and barometric formula because I think I was on the wrong track with them...

The Attempt at a Solution


I have been able to derive the barometric formula (which doubles as a pressure and density profile) from the ideal gas law, but am stuck in a bit of a circular problem: I need the temperature at the top of the summit to get the pressure, and vice versa. I don't know how to proceed, or maybe I've taken the wrong approach.

Any help would be appreciated!
 
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What does "adiabatically stratified" mean? Is it that pVγ= const. ?
 
kuruman said:
What does "adiabatically stratified" mean?

I interpreted it to mean that the atmosphere can be modeled as planes of thickness dz that are adiabatic.
 
voxel said:
I interpreted it to mean that the atmosphere can be modeled as planes of thickness dz that are adiabatic.
They "are adiabatic" in what way? Could it be that as z changes, the product pVγ remains constant? If so you have three equations: barometric, ideal gas and adiabatic condition and three thermodynamic variables. You can eliminate any two variables and find the other in terms of z.
 
I think you're right in that as z changes, the product PV^\gamma = const.

However, I'm not seeing how I can eliminate P and V to get T(z)..

edit: clarification: I don't see how I can eliminate two of the thermodynamic variables without introducing an unknown constant.
 
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Use the ideal gas law to eliminate the volume in the adiabatic condition to find an expression that says (Some power of p)*(some other power of T) = constant. Find the value of the constant from the initial conditions. Solve for the pressure and replace the expression you get for p in the barometric equation. This will give you an equation with T and z only.
 

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