Deriving the Formula for 2D Motion with Constant Acceleration

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The discussion revolves around deriving formulas related to two-dimensional projectile motion with constant acceleration. Participants are examining the equations of motion for a projectile launched at an angle, specifically focusing on the range and height equations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants are attempting to derive the range formula and clarify the relationship between time and the equations of motion. Questions are raised about the definitions of variables and the context of the projectile's motion, including whether it returns to the same height. There is also discussion about the time variable and its implications in the equations.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing insights and questioning assumptions about the problem setup. Some guidance has been offered regarding the interpretation of time in the context of projectile motion, but no consensus has been reached on the derivation of the equations.

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1. Homework Statement
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how to get
R=Vi 2 sin2θ/g
y=x*tanθ-[x2*g]/[2(Vi*cosθ)2]

Homework Equations


Vy=Vi*sinθ-gt
y=Vi*sinθ*t-1/2gt^2
Vx=Vi*cosθ
x=Vi*cosθ*t

The Attempt at a Solution


I use this formula to find the expression for t
Vy=Vi*sinθ-gt
gt=Vi*sinθ
t=Vi*sinθ/g

I substitute it into xf=xi+Vi*t+1/2at^2 (a=0)
xf=xi+Vi*cosθ*t
I get
R=Vi2*sinθcosθ/g
But the correct one is R=Vi2*2sinθcosθ/g
What's wrong with it?
I also see this formula in my book
y=xtanθ - [x2*g]/[2(Vi*cosθ)2]
how to figure out it?
thank you
 
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kelvin56484984 said:
I use this formula to find the expression for t
Vf=Vi*sinθ-gt
gt=Vi*sinθ
t=Vi*sinθ/g

It would be a good idea when stating the problem to describe the situation you are dealing with. Apparently it is projectile motion and not just any 2D motion. You leave it to the reader to figure out whether the projectile returns to the same height it was fired, etc. You did not define the symbols in your equations.

It would also be a good idea to include an x or y subscript on the velocities to indicate which component of velocity your are working with.

Does the expression for t given above represent the time for the entire flight or for only part of the flight?
 
Thanks for adding the figure. When you calculated the expression for t, what time during the flight does this represent?
 
The time taken for the particle reach the highest point which is t
And the time taken for R is 2t
I forget it is 2t previously so I get some mistakes
But I still don't know how to figured out
y=xtanθ - [x2*g]/[2(Vi*cosθ)2]
Thank you
 
kelvin56484984 said:

Homework Equations


Vy=Vi*sinθ-gt
y=Vi*sinθ*t-1/2gt^2
Vx=Vi*cosθ
x=Vi*cosθ*t
Work with the second and fourth equations.
 
kelvin56484984 said:
But I still don't know how to figured out
y=xtanθ - [x2*g]/[2(Vi*cosθ)2]
You have,
kelvin56484984 said:
y=Vi*sinθ*t-1/2gt^2
and
kelvin56484984 said:
x=Vi*cosθ*t
And there is no time variable in the required equation..
 

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